The claims by the self-claimed ‘ufologist’ have not been proven and Mr Maussan has previously been associated with claims of discoveries that have later been debunked.
Literally all you need to know here.
Though, this completely nonsense paragraph is good for a laugh.
Mr Maussan told attendees the specimens had been studied by scientists at the Autonomous National University of Mexico (UNAM) who were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating. After comparisons were made to other DNA samples, it was found that over 30% of the specimens’ DNA was “unknown”, he said.
I read that second paragraph you quoted before and so many things seemed so wrong, but I just assumed it was a bunch of translation errors. How does knowing how old something is give you evidence of its DNA?
“[DNA] comparisons” to other samples? What other samples? Human? If it’s human (or another known organism) and only about 30% of it is unknown, then the organism has an evolutionary relationship to organisms in earth.
But they claim it has no evolutionary relationship to organisms on earth.
The story doesn’t really make sense to me.
Disclaimer: I think it is clear at this point that the these are dolls.
If it’s human (or another known organism) and only about 30% of it is unknown, then the organism has an evolutionary relationship to organisms in earth.
Neither the presence of human DNA nor a humanoid anatomy necessarily determine that a species must have an evolutionary relationship with humans. If an advanced alien species had reached our planet long ago, they could have engineered a biological lifeform to interface with life on our planet, not entirely unlike we sometimes send animal-mimicking robots to a colony in order to study animal behavior.
I’ll reword then. If an organism has 70% DNA similarity to humans, the simplest and most reasonable explanation is that they’re evolutionarily related to us.
If that’s not the conclusion you draw, then you could just as easily say that an organism whose DNA was 99% similar to yours (me, for example) isn’t evolutionarily related to humans.
He asserted the claim of them not being evolutionarily related to us, but gave us evidence that would make it easier to assume the opposite. He gave us no DNA evidence that they’re truly alien. And this all presupposes that what he said was accurate.
I agree it is, by far, the simplest explanation. Simplest explanation doesn’t mean only explanation, and I prefer to not entirely dismiss other options just because they appear unlikely to me. Let’s not forget the samples could be contaminated.
In this instance, after looking at the analysis that other folks have done of the MRI scans and x-rays, I am personally sufficiently satisfied with the hypothesis that these are dolls made with a hodgepodge of animal and human remains.
They didn’t get specific but the guy was involved in producing fake dolls and holding them out as alien corpses.
What are the odds an extraterrestrial being would have the exact same features as most mammals on earth?
And why is it made of playdoh?
Yeah, even the fucking bone are just deformed human bones. What are the odds that beings that evolved in a totally different tree of life have almost the same bones as an earth fish that went quadruped then biped?
Not defending the probably fake stuff in the article but the chance we have encountering non human intelligence hidden on earth or that earth life was created by alien design are not much lower then those chances to encounter completely exotic different evolved life.
We dont know the nature of UAP. Aliens? Time travelers? Alternative earth dimension beings? A weather illusion? No one can tell.
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It is less likely. It not only assumes that (a) Aliens exist and that they (b) could or can travel to earth and that they © do that without being noticed so far. It also adds that they (d) have the ability to create complex life. Also, non-human intelligence hidden on earth is even more unlikely than any of that since we know the amount of fuss any halfway intelligent creature creates.
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These UAP videos have been debunked over and over and quite conclusively. I recommend this as an overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs
Well we are in a conversation entertaining the theory of humans having alien corpses as is the point of the article
We can assume hypothetically we are at a stage where they exist. If we assume they don’t then your point that they appear to humanoid holds no further argument. That they would be here on earth would means either one of two things. They have the tech to travel huge distances or they have where already here.
There allot of ideas of how alien live could look and how a cross species encounter would look like. One that regularly pops up is that a species capable of traveling beyond the speed of light will also be advanced enough to create bio engineered bodies.
If aliens suddenly appear on earth the chance that they would be a bioengineered body build part with earth/human dna so to be able to breath and move on our planet while controlled from a safe distance is not much more far fetched then the premises that aliens exist and are on earth under any other scenario.
Uap are being studied by scientists all over the world. Its not limited to what the US talks about. The fact is that they are unknown phenomenon till they are not. There is no proven conclusion in any direction.
That is just a lot of conjecture regarding what aliens can or cannot do. It is parsimonious to assume that each leap in technology is extremely hard, as it is for us.
Spaceflight is something humans can do to some extent and it is not too far fetched that humans could build stuff like generation ships within few generations if we put our minds to it. There is currently no known or proven way to do faster than light travel and it is highly likely that it is impossible from our current understanding of physics. So why do we assume aliens can break physics just by existing?
Same goes for biology and changing your body shape via genetics or creating complex life. We can’t do it and it does not seem like it will be possible, especially to an extent that would be necessary for this scenario. And even if possible, why? Why change into some weird body instead of the one you adapted to use and augment that with technology which is certainly possible, even humans can do that to an extent that allows us to survive in almost any environment.
The most likely thing by far would be alien generation ships or extremely long lived species with somewhat more advanced space travel and other technology. Anything else is basically science fiction/magic without basis in actual science. So why would we assume that aliens do all of that by merit of being aliens? Expecting omnipotent visitors is usually the domain of religion.
This applies to UAPs as well. As long as you can think of any explanation , no matter how contrived, based in our current understanding of physics it is extremely preferable to physics breaking aliens.
I would disagree on the creating complex life. Science has shown very capable but is limited by law as genetic engineering is quite controversial.
I simply find the idea that some exotic far more advanced life has figured out how to build biological remote controlled drones designed to function in their work environment while they themselves stay home sounds more plausible then a huge nomad ship that works entire generations to get somewhere. The first sounds like an eventual phase of any advanced society i can think off. The second sounds like space refugees in a dire situation.
Theres no way to break physics, you can only understand them well enough to apply them in seemingly magical ways.
Genetic engineering can do a lot. However, all laws be damned (which they almost are for many non vertebrate life forms) we are nowhere near creating anything resembling biological drones, or even sure that it’s possible to a useful extent. Also why use biological drones for a long journey instead of mechanical ones that are well suited to long hibernations and high radios environments? Also they can do stuff like send radio signals or take photos which would be useful for exploration. Same as physics, why do aliens get a free pass on what is basically biology magic?
Regarding physics, we have a very good and extensive understanding of the laws of physics. Thermodynamics and other rules of motion, speed and energy are very well studied and I don’t think there have been big surprises in a long time. So if aliens are doing what people are claiming the UAPs are doing, they are clearly breaking the laws of physics as we know them, so other explanations are most likely to be true (see the video linked in my other comment).
Saying stuff like “advanced physics is indistinguishable from magic” may be true if we’re talking about the knowledge of the average person and special little magic tricks (superconductors levitating magnets for example), but dismissing fundamental principles like that is just handwaving away any basis of our current understanding of reality and opening the door to wishful thinking and alien magic.
@lol3droflxp @lungdart @webghost0101 They were already here.
Surprising, considering there is no evidence of that.
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Artistic recreation with craft clay!
Disclaimer: I think it is clear at this point that the these are dolls.
What are the odds an extraterrestrial being would have the exact same features as most mammals on earth?
Neither the presence of human DNA nor a humanoid anatomy necessarily determine that a species must have an evolutionary relationship with humans. If an advanced alien species had reached our planet long ago, they could have engineered a biological lifeform to interface with life on our planet, not entirely unlike we sometimes send animal-mimicking robots to a colony in order to study animal behavior.
Naturally they look like stereotypical grey aliens.
Uhhhhh…the Alien seems to be into Rectal Activity a fair bit.
They say they found what appear to be eggs through x-rays, but they haven’t opened them up to check?
What are they waiting for? To check it’s religion before dumping it in the sea? That’s rather suspicious to me. Also the play dough thing.- Fingers won’t work with that many phalanges, if it were somehow possible it would require massive forearm muscles that would require a large larger carriage to support.
- It’s neck would be entirely incapable of supporting it’s head.
- They lack an opposable digit.
- So many of the bones lack any kind of rigid support. If this was a real creature it would likely be jelly flopping around.
- Mouth is fat too small to be useful and without teeth it would be impossible for it to consume any kind of nourishment to survive.
- Limbs seem like they are all of different sizes to each other and the arms and legs appear to be severed, I’m going to guess that someone was just cutting them off and not actually measuring while they made these things.
It looks like some claymation thing they found in a studio lol
Or, ancient mummy misidentified by ignorant idiots. One of those two likely.
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Until they have the rotting corpses out on display for all, then it’s probably some bullshit
“The two small alleged alien corpses, retrieved from Cusco, Peru, were presented in windowed boxes in Mexico City on Wednesday”
To make it even clearer, the article says that there are, in fact, corpses on display. Helps to actually read the article
allegedly
Allegedly what?
first sentence says alleged alien corpses, second just says corpses.
Of course it’s alleged corpses, if we knew they were definitely alien corpses we wouldn’t have this discussion
I think you can (and are encouraged to) actually visit them. I don’t know how this skepticism can be helpful, especially in a UFO-specific community.
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Ayyylmao. Notice that the aliens are almost always in fuckable size and shape. Where’s my Shoggoth Ubbo-Sathla ayyliums?
I want to believe
