I’ve been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that’s BS. Right? Except it’s not, and we should respond to it for what it is.
“I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you’re fighting and “winning” for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you’re right. I hate what you imagine America to be… because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don’t use the word “murder” lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America… then you’re right! The America you believe in isn’t lovable.”
That’s all.
I dont love any nation because thats a fucking weird thing to do
If nation means the government, the social order, the economic structure, even the cultural trappings… yes.
If nation means home… no.
Your home requires your care - it needs you, as much as you need it. It will not improve if you do not care for it.
I disagree. Feeling a strong emotion for a nation is a perfectly reasonable and human thing to do. Not that I’m trying to change your mind… just saying I don’t feel that way. :)
Yeah i know im the odd one out. It’s nothing new.
Im an anarchist in the Bible Belt so… im good without any patriotism thanks.
I’m an anarchist who’s only lived in VERY blue places (including angry blue places, like Oakland). I imagine if I’d had a lot of exposure to that kind of environment, I’d have some pretty different feelings about the definition of patriotism too.
Thats fair. I’ve been watching Republicans froth at the mouth since 9/11 while they keep getting poorer and dying of addiction. It leaves a taste.
youre an “anarchist” who “loves america”
buddy i think you should do some reading about your own country. maybe some reading about the ideology you supposedly hold. i believe these things are in total conflict with one another.
Yes, obviously my point of view is just simplified like that and isn’t nuanced at all and jumping straight into trying to start leftest infighting is a great use of both our emotional energy. :)
It’s pretty weird, the fetish some people have for imaginary regions on a map. America only exists as a collective hallucination that people agree to in order to give themselves a good reason to feel superior to others.
I don’t love America at all, and even though I live in the place known as America, I would feel absolutely nothing for it if it ceased to exist tomorrow. I certainly wouldn’t fight for it.
The America most people grew up in was shit too. People are angry now only because it’s turned its tyranny inwards on its own privileged people who have until this point not been severely impacted by its actions. The america my mom was born into didn’t even let black people vote.
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I’ve been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that’s BS.
I’m American and a proud America hater. It’s bad enough we’re a shithole but we can’t even keep our shit contained to our borders, we go around terrorizing the world, spreading war and exploitation and fascism to every corner of it. What is there to be “proud” of in that? When we put a stop to that shit, that will be something I can be proud of.
You gotta clean your house before you start talking about being “proud” of it. It’s like you’re inviting guests over and there’s dried dog turds all over the carpet and you’re being like, “I’m really proud of what I’ve done with the place, don’t you like it?” That’s insane. The only reason to not be on your knees apologizing and begging for forgiveness is because actually getting rid of the dog shit is more important. And once we’ve done that, once we’ve actually cleaned up our act and made something of ourselves, then maybe we can build something worth taking pride in. But this shit? Absolutely not.
I love America. I joined the army to serve. … Well, if I’m being honest I joined for the GI Bill and vocational training, but I wouldn’t have if I didn’t believe in and love my country.
But sometimes love means having to stage an intervention when the object of your love is on a self-destructive path. And fuck, are we ever. Self destructive because we are embracing hate of everything that made this country great to begin with.
I love what this country has achieved, but now it’s run by entitled pricks who never had to bear the cost of that greatness. And so, painfully and wasteful, we will have to shoulder the burden of becoming great again. Really great, not the MAGA/Temu version.
But I love America enough to be part of that process.
But you have to be careful, because they will happily edit all that down to just,
I hate America… you’re right!
And use that to justify to their base why you deserve whatever they do to you.
Yeah, fuck ‘em, they’re gonna do that no matter what. The trick is to be loud and proud enough that people hear our message directly, and can compare it to the gutless liars’ version.
