Android is struggling to keep its market share in the United States, as Apple continues to take over in the market. But, despite Android as a whole losing ground, Google Pixel phones are becoming a bigger slice of the US market.
Counterpoint Research reports that, in Q2 2023, US smartphone shipments dropped by 24% year-over-year. That includes both iPhones and Android phones, and virtually every brand saw a drop in shipments. Samsung saw US shipments drop by 37% while Motorola saw a 17% drop. TCL saw the biggest decline at just shy of 70% year-over-year, and even Apple saw a 6% drop.
It’s still 45% marketshare Android vs 55% iOS. With the way the title reads, you’d think Android was down in the single digits and barely hanging on.
Personally I just don’t see how anyone uses iOS. The iPhone I have is just awful. The UI is clunky and I’m absolutely baffled why this stupid phone weighs so much. That’s not a good thing, damn it. My Samsung is infinitely better device in my opinion. But I’d still love to see a third player come in. I was sad when Microsoft killed off their phone OS. It might not have been great at the time, but more competition is always better. And then if course there’s also PalmOS. So sad to see such a cool OS die off.
iOS seems to be meant for simplicity and ease of use. I mean, not that Android is confusing at all, but it seems that the less tech focused you are the more you gravitate toward iOS. I would never want an iPhone, but they seem to really kill it in the battery and camera departments.
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The UI is clunky
What do you mean by this? Is this just another “snappy” type thing that is meaningless?
Google keeps locking tons of Android features away behind their own privatized software stack.
Better for Google, but they are cutting their nose to spite their face here, as Android as a whole suffers for it.
Stuff like call screening in the android dialer would be possible on any brand of device. But no, pixel only.
The pixels have the very best android experience. It comes close to iPhone. But pixels aren’t the whole market. Overall Google is trying to claw back control of the entire platform and I hate it.
Stuff like call screening in the android dialer would be possible on any brand of device. But no, pixel only.
Other OEMs also have their own features that are exclusive to their own phones. They can also implement them into AOSP, but they don’t. Instead, they keep the features to their own devices. A lot of times when there’s a new feature on Android in general, more often than not you’ll see comments like “Samsung had this since years ago”.
So if other OEMs are allowed to have platform specific features, Google is allowed to have theirs too. Or in other words, if you want to hold Google responsible for holding back Android, you have to also hold other OEMs responsible too.
Google owns the platform. You’re not really comparing like to like.
It’s like saying since Google can modify some files in Windows that Microsoft doesn’t control the platform.
Sony upstreams many of its changes, but you’re right that Samsung does not. This is both because of differentiation, but also because often the changes are in defiance of the “official” Google spec in android and merging is refused.
One plus for example offers further customization on gesture input that is missing in Android 13, allowing corner bottom swipes, hiding the little nav line, etc. But this cannot merge.
Google has decided a “solution”, to hell with if your features are better. I would love to see these features in android mainline. But Google won’t allow it. Sony made a theme system years ago, but Android wouldn’t fully merge it, and took another 5 or so years to make something.
It’s like saying since Google can modify some files in Windows that Microsoft doesn’t control the platform.
You complain that I’m not comparing like to like, yet you’re taking Windows, a closed sourced operating system, as an analog to AOSP, an open sourced one?
This is both because of differentiation
But why are other OEMs allowed to differentiate, and Google is not?
Yes, Google has the “official control” of how Android should be, and not all OEM changes are in line with that. But contributing upstream is not the only way to make the Android ecosystem open.
Take for example, Galaxy Watch with WearOS. There are multiple features that the watch can do, ONLY IF ITS PAIRED WITH A GALAXY PHONE. I have a Galaxy Watch 4. It has ECG and Blood Pressure sensors. But I can’t use it (officially), because I don’t have a Galaxy phone. Why? Because Samsung is keeping that exclusive with a software lock that totally doesn’t have to be there. Measuring ECG and Blood Pressure doesn’t need anything from my phone, it’s all on the watch.
Another example also regarding using Galaxy Watch with a non Galaxy phone, which is even more absurd, is that if you’re using a Galaxy Watch with Galaxy phone, they will sync DND status between them, but if you’re not using a Galaxy phone, it’ll not sync. They literally added codes for it to not work on non Galaxy phone.
Also, the example you used in your original comment, the call screening feature, uses language models that Google paid for the development and trained. I think it’s fair for them to uses that technology that they invested in to help boost their own profit instead of just giving out for free.
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RIP Windows Phone
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The problem of android is that it is “fake opensource”. The OS itself is open source but google locks it down with GMS so google still controls everything.
Bingo.
AOSP is open source. Cool. In order to make AOSP useful to 99% of the population you need Google Play Services, which aren’t open source. To get Google Play Services you need to agree to install 20+ non-removable Google apps, none of which are open source.
There needs to be a 3rd mobile platform that isn’t tied to Android
There wont be a 3rd platform for the same reason that America wont have a 3rd Political Party.
You’ll never edge out the incumbents.
Especially when the biggest current one, Google, did everything in their power to stop a fantastic 3rd platform in Windows Phone from becoming successful.
Not really sure they needed to lift a finger tbh.
They did though. Windows Phone was pretty rapidly gaining marketshare in the US and also in Europe at one point - I believe they hit 10% which is massive for a new OS.
Google’s response to this was to block any and all third party apps for their services, even when they broke no rules. Read up on the shitshow that was Youtube on Windows Phone to see just how aggressive they were in making sure Windows Phone died. They also refused to put any of their services on the platform.
Actually there’s a third platform being developed, based on Linux, by Puri.sm with their Librem 5 phone.
And they’re as likely to stay around as the Green party is.
If you have any corporate backing wouldn’t it turn back into same situation as Android? Maintaining the app store, build tools, making new features, patching vulnerabilities e.t.c all require massive amounts of capital. Why would a company openly take initiative to do that? Meanwhile all others could free ride on it? Also any OEM’s coming in and customizing it to their liking and not following the standards because they are not bound too like in Android, wouldn’t that cause massive fragmentation. Back in the Symbian days this was the case where you need to customize your app slightly for each Symbian device, which meant you had to have the physical device. I remember back in the back in the day your office would be filled with these devices.
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First of all major corporations contribute to Linux kernel and there is very little contribution to a distribution. Why are they doing it? Because they benefit from their hardware being supported by Linux kernel(e.g Samsung contributing to Linux Kernel for SSD drivers) and now they can sell more, they can do this because it works with their business model. That is not the case with smartphones, in the smartphone world they are selling directly to a consumer and they need to do everything they can to differentiate themselves from other Smartphone makers. Mozilla tried the business model you mentioned but it didn’t catch on. Lastly you forget to understand the number of apps available on Google Play vs on Flathub. Google Play has ~3.5 Million Apps vs ~2000 Apps on Flathub. We are talking a different scale here
Also speaking about Flathub, Flathub solves the issue of fragmentation by building an entire OS on top of another OS just to avoid the challenges of backwards compatibility. This has implications like huge app sizes because you are basically downloading the runtime and everything it depends on for each app. It works for most people because storage is cheap and can be upgraded at least in PC world. But still you will have issues with RAM because most flatpaks don’t share the runtime and you need to need load each runtime to memory and this implications like higher memory usage, slower app start times because you need to load the entire runtime first before even you start the app.
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The pixels have the very best android experience.
I agree with the rest of your post, but not this. The best android experience to me is the one that isn’t the most locked down, but the one that is most open and customisable - Samsung. I’ve got a few pixels, and funnily enough my last Pixel I owned was what lead me to switch to an iPhone. I figured if I was going to have a heavily locked down non-customisable phone, it may as well be the one that’s the best at it, which is the iPhone.
How exactly is a Pixel locker down and not customisable?
On the launcher you can change basically nothing. Can’t move or remove the at a glance widget or the google search bar that takes precedence over your app bar. Can’t change the size or number of quick setting icons. Can’t change icon packs. Can’t change the grid size. Can’t change the task switcher look.
You can basically change nothing other than the accent colour.
You can literally change the launcher.
I use a pixel and I have a hard time justifying a different phone.
Maybe things have changed but the last Samsung I had was an S7 and I didn’t like it. It suffered from bloat and didn’t last all that long. Battery issues and the screen started to lose sensitivity.
I’ve used iphones and they aren’t bad, but I really dislike apple’s app store and effort to control everything on my phone. Also everytime a new phone came out my old phone became next to unusable for a month.
I got a pixel 3 and loved it, now I have a pixel 6 and don’t see changing my phone any time soon or going to a non-pixel phone. They last a long time, they work well with everything and the camera is excellent.
The maddening thing is how much effort Samsung wastes duplicating basic gapps. Their contacts manager, calendar, etc has no real advantages over the Google ones. Just focus on the hardware and overall experience? Stop wasting time reinventing the wheel. Same with their app store. I’ve had an S20 for the last 4 years. Used Samsung since the S2 which I still have. And am looking at a pixel to replace it since my security updates are running out.
The maddening thing is how much effort Samsung wastes duplicating basic gapps. Their contacts manager, calendar, etc has no real advantages over the Google ones.
They do have advantages over the google ones though. One big advantage is that “they’re not google ones”.
Stop wasting time reinventing the wheel. Same with their app store.
A google monopoly should be the last thing anyone wants. You should be wishing more developers would put their apps on the Samsung Store along with any other stores.
I’ve used https://shop.fairphone.com/ for a while now, a bit less slick and more expensive, but I’m very satisfied. I already degoogled completely, can’t have a Google phone now :D
What does Fairphone offer for the car infortainment interface, or are you stuck without one?
I don’t own a car, no idea.
Yeah I would never buy a non-Pixel phone now.
Can you explain what you mean by bloat with the s7? I have that and like my phone, just wondering why others don’t.
I remember having an S6 and it come with so many apps preinstalled that you can’t uninstall. There’s the default Google/android apps which is fine because those are the basics. Then Samsung puts a bunch of their own apps on there that basically duplicates a bunch of these and can’t be uninstalled, and then there’s other bloat apps like Facebook, maybe candy crush or some shit, maybe Netflix, that all can’t be uninstalled. The worst offender is Facebook because it was on almost any other phone not running stock android but supposedly had deeper privileges as a “system” app
There’s the default Google/android apps which is fine because those are the basics.
And this is the problem, and it’s absurd that google haven’t been stopped from doing this by any anti-competition regulators. Samsung don’t want google apps on their phones, they have to have them. Samsung make their own, and they’re often better than googles and are far more integrated into the OS.
They don’t have to have them. Mine doesn’t.
They have to from the factory.
No. They don’t.
What Samsung phones come without google apps and google play services installed?
I have a hard time justifying a different phone
A pixel doesn’t have SD card slot or 3.5 mm jack. My Xperia 1V has both. There. Justified.
You know I used to be with you on the SD card slot thing because phones used to have barely any internal storage. But now we’re seeing phones with hundreds of GB of onboard storage and having an SD card expansion on top of that feels wholly unnecessary.
I’m with you on the 3.5mm jack tho.
I mean most consumers don’t care about those 🤷♀️
most consumers have shit taste 🤷♀️
Or those features just aren’t that useful in modern phones…
If I’m paying flagship money then I want all features that’s even slightly useful
So why did you buy a Sony that doesn’t have adaptive refresh rate or a good auto camera?
The camera in auto mode is quite good as far as I can tell. I’m not sure what you mean by adaptive refresh rate? Is 120Hz too low for your taste?
While I understand the appeal, those are 2 features that I don’t need. Having the option would be nice though.
I think more people should have this kind of view, and less of an all or nothing approach.
I’m looking to switch from Samsung to a non-Google phone, It’s too bad no networks seem to carry the Xperia in Canada. Really don’t want to shell out $2000 up front for a phone.
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iPhones are the only the biggest by market share in very rich countries like the nordics, US, UK and a few others, with a bias towards anglophone countries I’d say. https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share
Basically the countries where people can afford to buy the phone that they want.
Basically the US and heavily english-speaking countries easier infected with the same brain-rot the US’ corporate ruling class calls “culture”.
(IOs/Android vs. english-speakers vs. income)
Like I said, the countries where people can buy the phone they want.
Honestly, even in my part of the US I mostly see Androids.
In western new York seemingly I’m the only one with “the poor man green bubble” even tho my phone was 1,600$ and nicer hardware and build than an iphone.
Android is number one everywhere but the us. The us is apple centric. Their loss.
The US in brainlessly-adoring-corporations centric.
Which is exactly the reason while Android is shrinking in the US while Google is growing.
Yuck why do people continue to buy Apple products?
Samsung and major carriers are shooting android in the foot with the bloatware. There are less and less viable android models that aren’t half filled with carrier or manufacturer specific apps that can’t be deleted. The pixel might be a tool of the Google devil but at least it provides the illustration of customization. iPhones are still Iphones. People they phone is pretty much the same butvthe hardware gets slightly better. Combine all that with messaging on Iphones essentially excluding android and ut becomes though to stick with anything but a Pixel or iphone. If I didn’t have lots of Google stuff setup for work I might reconsider iphones, but the pixel really has made my life easier via Google big brother. If work used apple big brother I would switch.
At this point google is pretty much the only company providing an Android experience that isn’t shit
Anyone I’ve met that hasn’t liked it has used a Samsung. They try so hard to be apple but they don’t understand the parts that work and just create an overall bloated and shitty experience
Doesn’t help that they have overpriced everything
Is there an Android phone that supports dual boot? I would like to have that so can use Lineage or something similar and only boot into Google android when I need to use banking app or government ID that requires the safetynet antifeture. This would free me from carrying two phones. But I suppose a locked down bootloader can not support dual boot and an unlocked will not support the safetynet antifeature.
Use Magisk, it bypasses SafetyNet. No need for dual boot https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk
You must install the Universal SafetyNet Fix afterwards https://github.com/kdrag0n/safetynet-fix
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Any phone without an sd card slot is a direct skip to me
I used to feel this way too, but now that phones are starting to come with 128GB or 256GB of storage by default, I’m finding I just don’t need it.
It’s plenty for most people but not for me
I’m curious so this is a legitimate question. What are you doing on your phone that needs more than hundreds upon hundreds of GB?
Mostly music and breakdance videos
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When you’ve got a miniscule market share it’s much easier to increase it than it is when you have a much larger market share.
I got a pixel 7a about 6 months ago. It’s a brilliant phone, once you remove all the google shit / bloat and block all the trackers.
GrapheneOS on my Pixel 7.
I wanted to try it out today. The install looked intimidatingly-complex to me, is there an ‘easy mode’ installation method?
The web installer is pretty simple.
It may seem intimidating because they’re being super cautious. (Stuff like “You should avoid using a USB hub” is bordering paranoia.) But that’s not because they need to be cautious. The GrapheneOS installer is very safe. The reason they’re being so cautious is because they want to be more than 99% sure it works.
If something goes wrong, like you use the wrong browser or fail to install the driver/package, it won’t break your phone; the install just stops and you can try again.
The one thing that may break something is if during install the cable gets disconnected or the power goes out. That’s unlikely by itself, but even if it does happen, you phone will most likely be fine.
Thanks for the encouragement & advice. I’ll give the web installer a go once I’ve had some sleep.
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I was shocked how damn simple the whole thing was. You just click a few times, and before you notice, the phone is rebooting and installing the full OS. Takes almost no time and it’s all super automatized. That was the easiest “custom” OS I’ve ever installed.
I feel like Google really hit their stride with the Pixel 6/7 series. The 7 series especially is just such a nice phone to use and doesn’t feel as cheap as previous iterations of the Pixel. It’s also great value for the money. I went with the Pro and would recommend against it honestly, because while I like the extra camera and the bigger screen it really doesn’t fit great in the average persons hand and the features don’t really justify the cost. If I had to do it over again I would get the 7 or 7a.
I honestly think the Pixel 5 is the best phone I have ever used. I have the P7 and I kind of wish I had stuck with the P5.
I love the size and feel of the 7a. It was an adjustment to get used to a small screen again but honestly, so happy with that element of the phone.
The battery life, on the other hand, feels worse than my 4 year old OnePlus 7 Pro’s is. I am not sure if it’s a me problem or a Pixel problem, but that aspect has me seriously worried about the longevity of the device. I guess you get what you pay for, but I’d expect a bit better for a mid-range phone.
It’s, unfortunately, a Pixel problem. The Tensor G2 is notoriously bad with battery life, and the fact that every manufacturer thinks we want paper thin phones doesn’t help.
The 7a is not a thin phone though, it’s noticeably thicker than my S9+, I think the 7a has a 4385mAh battery? A phone with such a large battery capacity should be better. You can tell the inefficient SoC is to blame because it gets hot easily.
Just makes me appreciate how amazing the S9+ was for it’s time that the 7a doesn’t completely blow it away when it’s much newer and nearly as expensive.
Respectfully disagree. I’ve been with Google phones since the Nexus 6p. Upgraded to the Pixel 2 which I still have and still works, then to the 5a which I hated, and now the 7pro. I didn’t think it would ever get better than the 2, but the telephoto lens on the 7 pro plus pretty much everything else still amazes me now over a year later. It’s perfect and I’m happy I didn’t go cheaper.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the telephoto lens, but I have a strong feeling I would sacrifice the extra lens for a smaller screen. Then again I do watch a lot of videos so who knows. I think the biggest problem is there isn’t really a way to test the two side by side to see.
That’s pretty cool. I’ll give it a try.
Should’ve mentioned to you that this app is probably low-key the most valuable one I own. It took about a week to get used to, now I wouldn’t have a phone with a big screen without it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quickcursor
My Android phone fucking blows. The one I had prior was great but I lost it. I hate the constant alerts from the apps I can’t delete, I can’t take up close photos anymore without it looking like shit and not focusing, the screen will flip horizontal at random times when it’s got the lock screen option turned on. I don’t want a Google phone, though.
Anyone have opinions on the OnePlus phones?
Apps you can’t delete? Gotta be Samsung?
Yep, I hate it so much
You can adb disable them. Not the same as a full removal, if you wipe/reset the phone they come back, but for most purposes they’re effectively gone. Do a backup first, if you remove one too many or the wrong one, and other apps might start crashing.
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy S6, I rooted it so I could remove the facebook app… turned out they built a custom circuit in a little chip that permanently breaks NFC if you rooted it. Ridiculous.
What phones is Motorola selling now-a-days? Flip phones?
I am using a RAZR+ and it is my favorite phone ever! Love having a flip phone
Glad you’re enjoying it! I’m using Samsung’s Flip like myself. Folding phones are just so fun lol
Flip phones?
The Razr foldable is probably what they’re referencing
Was a good phone but the battery kinda sucked
got a moto g power (2021) last year for $130. works pretty well for the price.
