If you’re not making with the example you insist exist I’m not even gonna read your posts as they’re a waste of time.

No I get it, you can’t prove your point. You don’t have to keep running around with dictionaries that don’t prove your point to impress me. It doesn’t change my view of you at all to know you’re wrong.

Are you still on this? You went in circles so I left.

Still no example, huh?

I’m happy for you …or sorry that happened.

That’s alot of words which notably are not an example of the adjective “illegal” being used as though it were a noun to describe a human being and it not being derogatory.

Come on, bill Clinton. You just gonna yap about what “is” is or you gonna prove your point? Make with the example.

The link you offered does not seem authoritative.
The example it proffered of:

“Sometimes I don’t always feel like jogging” doesn’t make any sense.

Makes perfect sense.

Are you going to keep litigating “Sometimes inherently means sometimes not” or are you going to provide an example of a non-pejorative use of referring to a human being as though they themself were illegal?

“Sometimes” is different than “Sometimes although not always”

That I why I had to use different words to type the two different concepts.
Your definition only listed the first, which does not inherently indicate the second.

The definition does not indicate it can be not derogatory—which makes sense because it’s derogatory.

You despite claiming sans evidence that it is possible to refer to a human being with a pejorative adjective and it be anything other than derogatory, won’t even back up your claim with a single non-derogatory example of its use.

I get why you won’t—'cause you can’t—but if you were right you’d think You could give an example rather than litigating the implied corollaries to “sometimes”.

You’re going to have to provide examples where sometimes means always.

I’m not the one making the claim here, you are.

If the claim that illegal is sometimes derogatory is true then the the claim illegal is always derogatory or never derogatory is false.

No it isn’t. Nothing about “sometimes” being true itself proves the corollary “always” is false.

Besides, you would think you could end this by giving the example to refuse to proffer of a non-derogatory use.

Do you know what sometimes means?

If I said, “The sun sometimes rises in the east.” that is a true statement, but not evidence that it ever does otherwise and if I wanted to claim “…and sometimes it rises in the west.” I would still need to provide evidence other than stressing the “sometimes” in my first statement.

How can calling a person (and not actions) “illegal” be anything but derogatory?
Explain your west-rising sun, please.

You have yet to describe the times it is not.

What claim is unsubstantiated?

That there can be a non-derogatory utilization of the adjective illegal to refer to a person with as though the word were a countable noun.

All that has been done is to post a dictionary entry which agrees that when it is used as a noun it is a slur—behavior I would not expect from one who has endeavored excellence toward their fellows.

Sometimes disparaging + offensive.

And since you have yet to explain how it can not be your claim that it is is unsubstantiated.

I am working under the assumption no one here—who purportedly all agree to “be excellent to each other”—is being intentionally despairing to their fellow human beings hense my continued confusion as to what “illegal” used (seemingly erroneously) as a noun means.

Good for you finally letting go of the notion that illegal is only an adjective.

as a non-slur which you still have not explained how it can be.

Leonard Nimoy and the animal actor who portrayed the Alfa 177 canine (in all likelyhood) are both dead.

I would prefer a world where a cute happy dog and Leonard Nimoy were still with us and William Shatner had died, twice.

When referring to people who entered or reside illegally in the country.

…you should probably refer to people, huh?

Also this doggo is absolutely adorable in that costume

The wrong two of those actors are dead. ☹️
It should have been Shatner, twice.

The definition clearly says sometimes which means you have to use context to determine if it is used as a slur.

I asked you how it could not be and you have yet to offer an explination.

Illegal is a noun too

No it isn’t.

It is not “pointless nitpicking”. It is very important holding fast against allowing very determined forces of hate any foothold whatever.

I argue 3 things:

1. Irrespective the truth value of your claim you should not forward that position as there are forces of oppression who will latch onto any conceit of inherent differences between cis and trans people and claim that is the oh-so-important difference around which they claim the need to organize the oppression they are rabidly looking for excuses for
2. Your claim is not true under the commonly understood nor scientific consensus of what “sex” is
3. Even under your claim—which I consider simplistic and reductive—that sex is mere reproductive capability via sperm or eggs your assertion remains false

although it can be lost

No one “in casual conversation” considers someone “sexless” when they lose their gonads to cancer, nor do you know the “sex” of anyone to whose sex you have referred in going on high-90s percent of cases by your ridiculously narrow definition—I can’t imagine in those cases where you find yourself considering using either term you jam the person with a needle or jerk them off into a cup and bust out a microscope to check motility.

Finally I’m not sure what you hope to gain by your pedantry—they’re never gonna let you into the car.

There is nothing in the definition that says illegal is a derogatory term.

There very much is, even if we limit our definitions to the one which you gave me. I pointed as much out to you 23 hours ago.

When I say illegal I’m referring to a person who has entered or resides in the US illegally.

That isn’t what that word means except as a slur which your very precious dictionary even cops to.

You still have not answered my inquest regarding how using an adjective as a noun to refer to a person could be anything other than dehumanizing as you still claim that it can potentially be.