Sounds like you envy a lot more about it than just the ability to leave.
True, but that doesn’t mean I want to live in Russia. It’s just ridiculous to fight for what our people get and how our government treats us vs country that gives their people more and treats their people better. Countries aren’t something that has inherent self-worth after all, the whole concept of states was supposed to be a tool to make people live better.
But it’s hard for me to interpret this combination any other way than that the “muscles” were helping it succeed
Those “muscles” played central role in making it succeed, people alone couldn’t do it. Civilians in general are really bad at violence, especially in eastern europe. I was a student back then, and I didn’t know a single person among my classmates or relatives or their contacts who went to Maidan.
and it wasn’t a genuine people’s movement.
It’s “genuine” in a sense there is definitely something upsetting people and at the right time forces come in to drive that energy of people into revolution. The point is, it doesn’t happen to most of things upsetting people. Since then we’ve many times had 100x more reasons for another Maidan, but there were no forces investing into “muscles” during long timeframes that were interested in our upset at those moments to overthrow government again. West is way more interested in dealing maximum damage to Russia at the cost of lives of ukrainians than saving lives of ukrainians. Also West thinks that if we become Russia it would just mean that Russia became stronger and it’s better to just kill us all to prevent Russia from getting us. It’s understandable point of view, but we as ukrainians are not interested in it.
I wrote a longer reply to this, but my browser ate it. Short version:
You’re right about the West’s treatment of Ukraine. Read Dan Ellsberg’s writing about “the stalemate machine” for a look at how it works, written by someone who worked inside the places where these decisions get made.
You keep claiming no one in Ukraine wants to fight, but their military is killing Russians at a pace that far exceeds what militaries where no one wants to fight would be able to accomplish. I keep making this point, and you keep ignoring it and just repeating your talking points.
I can’t decide which Ukraine-specific RSS feed to create and promote. I think it should just be one for now, multiple isn’t necessary. Which one do you think I should pick?
True, but that doesn’t mean I want to live in Russia. It’s just ridiculous to fight for what our people get and how our government treats us vs country that gives their people more and treats their people better. Countries aren’t something that has inherent self-worth after all, the whole concept of states was supposed to be a tool to make people live better.
Those “muscles” played central role in making it succeed, people alone couldn’t do it. Civilians in general are really bad at violence, especially in eastern europe. I was a student back then, and I didn’t know a single person among my classmates or relatives or their contacts who went to Maidan.
It’s “genuine” in a sense there is definitely something upsetting people and at the right time forces come in to drive that energy of people into revolution. The point is, it doesn’t happen to most of things upsetting people. Since then we’ve many times had 100x more reasons for another Maidan, but there were no forces investing into “muscles” during long timeframes that were interested in our upset at those moments to overthrow government again. West is way more interested in dealing maximum damage to Russia at the cost of lives of ukrainians than saving lives of ukrainians. Also West thinks that if we become Russia it would just mean that Russia became stronger and it’s better to just kill us all to prevent Russia from getting us. It’s understandable point of view, but we as ukrainians are not interested in it.
I wrote a longer reply to this, but my browser ate it. Short version:
Here’s your dose of general Ukraine postings:
https://ponder.cat/post/1528372
I can’t decide which Ukraine-specific RSS feed to create and promote. I think it should just be one for now, multiple isn’t necessary. Which one do you think I should pick?