Authors using a new tool to search a list of 183,000 books used to train AI are furious to find their works on the list.

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      1 year ago

      Using it to (create a tool to) create derivatives of the work on a massive scale.

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        An AI model is not a derivative work. It does not contain the copyrighted expression, just information about the copyrighted expression.

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        Wikipedia: In copyright law, a derivative work is an expressive creation that includes major copyrightable elements of a first, previously created original work.

        I think you may be off a bit on what a derivative work is. I don’t see LLMs spouting out major copyrightable elements of books. They can give a summary sure, but Cliff Notes would like to have a word if you think that’s copyright infringement.

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        Better tell that Google and their search index, book scanning project and knowledge graph.

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          Would you be okay with applying that argument for any crime?

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            I would be, and I don’t understand why you think this would be a problem. I wouldn’t want the government to be preventing activities that there weren’t any actual laws prohibiting.

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              You’re missing the point. I’ll make your example more specific.

              Well when fraud/rape/murder happens we have laws. So no problems.

              Those things happen. Creating a LLM based on copyrighted material without permission happens - it’s not a hypothetical. But even then, giving a punishment after the fact does not make the initial crime “no problem”, as you put it.