• unfreeradical@lemmy.world
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    No. Unions were never “voted into existence” through elections. It is not possible for a union to form due to government action. A union only forms from a conviction among workers to be organized, and to protect each other from those who would harm them.

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      1 year ago

      The government can create laws to make unions ineffectual.

      I don’t have the time or patience to give a civic lesson on why voting in political elections is important for unionization.

      I suggest you explore the topic on your own if you seek to not be confidently incorrect in life.

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        1 year ago

        The government does antagonize unions, but their strength comes from within them, not from elections.

        Again, unions were never “voted into existence”.

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            NLRB is not a union, nor a body that creates unions.

            Workers create unions, by choose to unite, to organize themselves toward shares interests.

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              1 year ago

              I feel you’re arguing some pedantic point, possibly to dissuade voting at the political level or just because you enjoy the pedantry of this.

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                I am not arguing pedantically

                Labor organization is the vehicle through which the working class advances.

                Voting has very little meaningful effect on conditions.

                I am not discouraging anyone from voting, only from believing from that voting is generally meaningful, or the cause of change.

                As you conceded, states are generally antagonistic to the interests of workers. When workers believe that the state is their friend, workers lose.

                Meaningful change happens from the ground up.

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                  The federal government has rules in place to prevent states from stomping on union efforts.

                  The state can and will outlaw to right for your union to be recognized.

                  It’s is more than just the people can do it organically since the state will union bust. “Right to work” laws are an example of this.

                  The state’s with these laws actively force your union to protect freeloaders who don’t join the union.

                  Fucking vote.

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                    Any rules of the state that protect unions were gained through fights by unions, and may easily be taken away

                    The state busts unions because the state interest is in busting unions, not because the state lacks rules within itself that somehow may prevent the state from protecting its interests.

                    Bosses protect bosses, not workers. Who holds the titles should be of relatively minor concern. No one will protect workers unless workers protect themselves.