US president said his horrific blow-up would make ‘great television’ – the White House has never seen anything like it

Summary

Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

  • robbinhood@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    4 hours ago

    That sucks and permabans really shouldn’t be a thing except in extreme causes of threatening to like harm/dox some one and stuff like that. Not seeing where you did anything to get banned at all, but especially not permabanned.

    If Lemmy just ends up being another reddit that’s going to suck so bad.

    • LustyArgonian@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      55 minutes ago

      We need a government social media that allows us to sue mods for freedom of speech violations, and allows us to host and have a centralized area for town halls and city concerns, eg like local FB or Reddit groups.

      Until then, whatever, I won’t shut up and they will have to keep banning me. I’m only on these “big” socials to let people know this stuff, otherwise I stick to niche independent forums that focus on 1 special interest. The difference between posters there, who are real and human and there to discuss the interest instead of psyop, and the posters on big socials, is night and day. The little indie forums don’t really need to ban people because they aren’t the focus of psyops, and so you get to see a wide variety of opinions and less of an echo chamber. Idk, I miss the old internet

      • robbinhood@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        43 minutes ago

        yeah the best subs on reddit are almost always at least semi-niche with mods who are serious about the topic but not a-holes. I haven’t had many issues with many mods but I still avoid most of the main subs simply because the discussion there is often very weak.

        Do you have any recommendations on how to find indie forums? I don’t know if there are lists or whatnot out there.

        • LustyArgonian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          28 minutes ago

          Oh, these are independent websites. Not sections of Reddit.

          Here’s an example, the Ray Peat Forum (renamed Low Toxin Forum), I’m not a member/believer of those ideas, but I trawl through their studies sometimes for research with other stuff (better than r/science sometimes), and I love their fights so much: https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/this-guy-says-he-has-found-the-holy-grail-on-how-to-remove-excess-copper-iron.53550/

          To find this forum, I believe I typed in something on a search about fat soluble vitamins and forums (or discussion board) and it came up. I take time to sift through results (go a few pages deep to find the lower SEO results) and see if the forums I find mention sister forums. I then will search stuff like, “Is Low Toxin Forum reliable?” and see who is talking about the forum and what they have to say.

          This doesn’t work super well though for politics, stocks, news, or crypto, I’ve found - those forums tend to be scammy for some reason. But ironically I’ve been on several gambling forums and those aren’t nearly as sketchy.

          • robbinhood@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            10 minutes ago

            Ah yeah I was actually talking about non reddit places. I do remember the pre reddit days when those forums were common. Maybe it’s rose colored glasses but I do remember the convos being a bit deeper.

            Well, hopefully Lemmy or someone figures out how to do reddit better than reddit tbh.