This is it, one of the downsides of a decentralized network like the fediverse here is that there is no current way to prevent brigading. It seems like this is mainly just one super MAGA dude ranting and a bunch of brigaders responding. I was going to give it some time and see if it mellowed out as it developed.
I don’t think there is any “brigading” going on here… Just to be clear what brigading actually is:
On reddit, there was a time when there were coordinated and organised efforts to “invade” another communities. For example, there were threads on 4Chan where users linked to subreddits or posts with the aim of having a bunch of users post similar stuff at the same time.
There was also brigading within reddit when one sub would make a post where they coordinate users to post specific comments in specific threads or post similar stuff in a specific subreddit.
As far as I can tell, that’s not what is happening here… There is no coordinated group effort here, it’s just that the vast majority of users on lemmy are not conservatives.
Moderating can only go so far for brigading. Mass downvotes aren’t something moderators have control over. There’s also the risk of what reddit did where tons of subreddits proactively banned people simply for participating in other subreddits without ever posting in the banned subreddit.
The bottom line is that while reddit is super liberal, lemmy is openly hostile to anyone right of center and I don’t see any realistic solution to this. Welcome to the growing pains of a 15+ year old system going down and starting over from scratch.
I guess on Reddit conservative communities just have the critical mass needed to overcome the downvotes?
I suppose there being enough subreddits to distract people to the communities they’re interested keeps them from trolling/brigading/etc the communities they’re not.
I’m actively removing offending posts and banning trolls. Bear with us, moderation tools are lacking, but I promise we’re working behind the scenes to keep discussion on topic.
I mean, completely unfederated instances kinda defeat the point. I get along just fine with real liberals and have plenty of views that bridge both. Limiting participation to a single isolated instance is basically pointless, especially as an actual replacement for reddit. Brigading and hostility to anyone that isn’t part of the circle jerk is just a disadvantage to the solution to admin/CEO-proofing lemmy as a whole.
It’s almost as if, people living off big bro, begging for free money and debt forgiveness have plenty of free time to chat on the internet all day… Meanwhile, conservatives are out in the world trying to hold the damn thing together!
Regarding the matter at hand. I don’t agree that it’s right to ban people who have opposing views. Most of my comment history here is talking to the leftists about that exact thing. Because yes, this place, as new as it is, is already feeling like a lefty’s echo chamber…
This is it, one of the downsides of a decentralized network like the fediverse here is that there is no current way to prevent brigading. It seems like this is mainly just one super MAGA dude ranting and a bunch of brigaders responding. I was going to give it some time and see if it mellowed out as it developed.
I don’t think there is any “brigading” going on here… Just to be clear what brigading actually is:
On reddit, there was a time when there were coordinated and organised efforts to “invade” another communities. For example, there were threads on 4Chan where users linked to subreddits or posts with the aim of having a bunch of users post similar stuff at the same time.
There was also brigading within reddit when one sub would make a post where they coordinate users to post specific comments in specific threads or post similar stuff in a specific subreddit.
As far as I can tell, that’s not what is happening here… There is no coordinated group effort here, it’s just that the vast majority of users on lemmy are not conservatives.
Are Lemmy communities not able to moderate themselves?
Moderating can only go so far for brigading. Mass downvotes aren’t something moderators have control over. There’s also the risk of what reddit did where tons of subreddits proactively banned people simply for participating in other subreddits without ever posting in the banned subreddit.
The bottom line is that while reddit is super liberal, lemmy is openly hostile to anyone right of center and I don’t see any realistic solution to this. Welcome to the growing pains of a 15+ year old system going down and starting over from scratch.
I guess on Reddit conservative communities just have the critical mass needed to overcome the downvotes?
I suppose there being enough subreddits to distract people to the communities they’re interested keeps them from trolling/brigading/etc the communities they’re not.
The /r/conservative subreddit bans anybody who isn’t conservaitve from commenting in the majority of important threads.
I’m actively removing offending posts and banning trolls. Bear with us, moderation tools are lacking, but I promise we’re working behind the scenes to keep discussion on topic.
The solution to brigading is to move to an instance that doesn’t federate with brigaders.
If you don’t like the instance you’re on, you’re free to go somewhere else.
I mean, completely unfederated instances kinda defeat the point. I get along just fine with real liberals and have plenty of views that bridge both. Limiting participation to a single isolated instance is basically pointless, especially as an actual replacement for reddit. Brigading and hostility to anyone that isn’t part of the circle jerk is just a disadvantage to the solution to admin/CEO-proofing lemmy as a whole.
All instances start fully federated, and slowly get defederated by the communities that choose to do so.
Like it or not brigading is what stops places from being echo chambers.
Its already a far left echo chamber.
It’s almost as if, people living off big bro, begging for free money and debt forgiveness have plenty of free time to chat on the internet all day… Meanwhile, conservatives are out in the world trying to hold the damn thing together!
Regarding the matter at hand. I don’t agree that it’s right to ban people who have opposing views. Most of my comment history here is talking to the leftists about that exact thing. Because yes, this place, as new as it is, is already feeling like a lefty’s echo chamber…
sad x indeed