What I was thinking is that Trump and Musk are very unpopular partly because they are firing all the state workers. Many veterans. If Democrats shut down the government, the blame will be reversed. Democrats will be blamed for putting state workers out of work.
And besides, shutting down the government is literally what Trump wants. He could claim the victim (as he loves to do) while getting exactly what he wants.
I have heard that government shutdowns are usually blamed on the party that forced the shutdown. Ie democrats in this scenario.
Now, we all believe Musk and Trump are a threat that needs to be stopped at all costs, so a government shutdown would be good. But how will the average American view it?
Honestly, your napoleon quote seemed very much in favor of not shutting the government down. Let Trump keep making mistakes.
Ok, I agree with you, but the majority of americas do not. Which is my point. Every time Republicans shut down the government using your logic, they were the ones that ended up suffering in the end.
You have no clue what the majority of Americans think. Shutdown or no shutdown any strife will be pinned to democrats. That’s how this works. Don’t play coy. Democrats do nothing but horde political capital. If they don’t ever spend it, it goes away.
What I’m looking at is in 4 years, will the GOP be able to claim they made the country better? I don’t care how it happens if this country doesn’t ‘feel’ like they are in a better place there is a reckoning coming for the GOP.
You think Chuck Schumer has no idea what the majority of Americans want? You think he doesn’t have databases of internal polling numbers that show him how people will likely react to this?
It’s weird cause that napoleon quote was so fitting for what I am saying. Let Trump keep making his own bed. The American people are reacting negatively towards Trump, not Democrats.
Anecdotally, my dad has been sending me anti Trump memes. He’s always been right wing, but not maga. So we haven’t talked politics in years and all of a sudden he is vocally anti trump.
The momentum is against Trump now. If Schumer shuts the government down there will be finger pointing on both sides. If he keeps it open and lets Trump keep fucking up, the people that have Trump the election will be less likely to show up in the midterms.
Anyway, we are just 2 random people that ultimately don’t know what we’re talking about. I’m just giving the case Schumer is likely considering.
Chuck Schumer and the DNC has done nothing, nothing, to stop the spread of authoritarianism in america…8 years. It’s been 8+ years and the roots of autocracy and oligarchy have only spread further and further into our government. Do I think Chuck Schumer, with his mountains of data, has made the right choices to fortify our democracy and innoculate our population from the poison the GOP has injected into this country. Emphatically, no. I don’t know how many more times the DNC will capitulate and do nothing before you see their strategy is ineffective and they are not equipped to address what is happening right now.
If Schumer never faltered and allowed the shutdown to happen I might have questioned if it was the right move. The fact that he did, as everyone knew he would, is enough proof to me that he is making the wrong choice.
To me, when dealing with trump, it’s a sin to be predictable enough that even someone of my intellect can guess your next move.
But what would we get from them? They want the government shut down. This is exactly what Musk is doing with all his firings. It would be a win-win for Trump. Shut down the infrastructure, “save money”, cry victim.
Push, with Dem support, a clean CR. Giving Trump unchecked power to destroy America would normally give “political points” to those who think it is a bad idea. Using the shutdown, and refusal/veto of clean CR, to destroy America might still let congress including GOP to try and stop it, instead of giving Trump those unchecked powers to never be questioned on it.
Absurd to take blame for corrupt GOP media dominance.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” - Napoleon Bonaparte
What I was thinking is that Trump and Musk are very unpopular partly because they are firing all the state workers. Many veterans. If Democrats shut down the government, the blame will be reversed. Democrats will be blamed for putting state workers out of work.
And besides, shutting down the government is literally what Trump wants. He could claim the victim (as he loves to do) while getting exactly what he wants.
Is this similar to your point?
A total shutdown is far more likely to hurt trump and the Republicans. The Democrats by supporting this are letting certain Republicans oppose it.
I have heard that government shutdowns are usually blamed on the party that forced the shutdown. Ie democrats in this scenario.
Now, we all believe Musk and Trump are a threat that needs to be stopped at all costs, so a government shutdown would be good. But how will the average American view it?
Honestly, your napoleon quote seemed very much in favor of not shutting the government down. Let Trump keep making mistakes.
The gop are forcing the shutdown. The dems are the minority, the gop needs to negotiate.
Ok, I agree with you, but the majority of americas do not. Which is my point. Every time Republicans shut down the government using your logic, they were the ones that ended up suffering in the end.
You have no clue what the majority of Americans think. Shutdown or no shutdown any strife will be pinned to democrats. That’s how this works. Don’t play coy. Democrats do nothing but horde political capital. If they don’t ever spend it, it goes away.
What I’m looking at is in 4 years, will the GOP be able to claim they made the country better? I don’t care how it happens if this country doesn’t ‘feel’ like they are in a better place there is a reckoning coming for the GOP.
You think Chuck Schumer has no idea what the majority of Americans want? You think he doesn’t have databases of internal polling numbers that show him how people will likely react to this?
It’s weird cause that napoleon quote was so fitting for what I am saying. Let Trump keep making his own bed. The American people are reacting negatively towards Trump, not Democrats.
Anecdotally, my dad has been sending me anti Trump memes. He’s always been right wing, but not maga. So we haven’t talked politics in years and all of a sudden he is vocally anti trump.
The momentum is against Trump now. If Schumer shuts the government down there will be finger pointing on both sides. If he keeps it open and lets Trump keep fucking up, the people that have Trump the election will be less likely to show up in the midterms.
Anyway, we are just 2 random people that ultimately don’t know what we’re talking about. I’m just giving the case Schumer is likely considering.
Chuck Schumer and the DNC has done nothing, nothing, to stop the spread of authoritarianism in america…8 years. It’s been 8+ years and the roots of autocracy and oligarchy have only spread further and further into our government. Do I think Chuck Schumer, with his mountains of data, has made the right choices to fortify our democracy and innoculate our population from the poison the GOP has injected into this country. Emphatically, no. I don’t know how many more times the DNC will capitulate and do nothing before you see their strategy is ineffective and they are not equipped to address what is happening right now.
If Schumer never faltered and allowed the shutdown to happen I might have questioned if it was the right move. The fact that he did, as everyone knew he would, is enough proof to me that he is making the wrong choice.
To me, when dealing with trump, it’s a sin to be predictable enough that even someone of my intellect can guess your next move.
GOP never loses votes over their BS. It is not BS to not cave to GOP, on only legislative chance to get anything at all from them.
But what would we get from them? They want the government shut down. This is exactly what Musk is doing with all his firings. It would be a win-win for Trump. Shut down the infrastructure, “save money”, cry victim.
Push, with Dem support, a clean CR. Giving Trump unchecked power to destroy America would normally give “political points” to those who think it is a bad idea. Using the shutdown, and refusal/veto of clean CR, to destroy America might still let congress including GOP to try and stop it, instead of giving Trump those unchecked powers to never be questioned on it.
Absurd to take blame for corrupt GOP media dominance.