• MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world
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      Bluntly, what have you done for me lately?

      What Democrats did is a meaningless platitude.

      What are all of you doing right now?

      What the fuck should we do with your “we did our part”?

      Simply put, You the People cannot be trusted to keep fascism at bay.

      If you are ever allowed to vote in a free election again, one third of you will vote for more of this bullshit, and one third of you will refuse to vote.

      Collectively, you are untrustworthy.

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        You the People cannot be trusted to keep fascism at bay.

        Of course they can’t. The founding mythology? The military fluffing? The pervasive propaganda over American exceptionalism?

        It’s a fascist country. It just doesn’t always have a totalitarian government.

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        Frankly I think the only thing that’d give me faith in my countrymen would be learning there’s actually truth to Musk/the repubs at large rigging the election, and that’s a long shot.

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          They’ve freely admitted to it like four times now, just nobody wants to deal with the gigantic clusterfuck that will come from investigating that and finding the truth. So instead they do nothing and act like nothing is wrong.

          Modern democrats are operating under the assumption of “if I shut my eyes hard enough then this will cease to exist”

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        If the goal is to get people engaged, does telling them they’re worthless and untrustworthy actually help? I get the anger, but if you want people to step up, what’s the strategy beyond just calling them dummies?

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          Hi, fellow American here. You seem to need to understand some things, so I’m here to educate you.

          We’ve been gently coddling the conservatives into being better for decades. Their response to this is to laugh at you and then double down on whatever horrible shit they’ve decided is their culture war target today. Gentle reminders that they’re actively working toward the destruction of society does nothing to them. In many cases it actively galvanizes them even more toward their opinions.

          So I’m fucking done coddling. Some of my friends and my family are going to die because of things they’ve gleefully voted for and then tried to throw in my face after. My nation is in flames because of what they’ve done. The entire world is falling to authoritarian fascism because of what they’ve done.

          So fuck 'em. If you’re a horrid piece of shit then I’m going to tell you that you’re a horrid piece of shit. You have the option to change your ways or go fuck off and die, doesn’t matter one bit to me. But I’m sick and tired of trying to meet someone halfway when their “halfway” is “well maybe we only exterminate half of the blacks and gays and we can just enslave the rest of them?”

          In short: Every single conservative “republican” that still idenitifes as such in the modern day is a piece of shit scum human being, who is directly responsible for the hellhole we find ourselves in, and if they know what’s good for them they better be afraid to show their face around me and mine. I’m tired of trying to “play nice” with oppressors. I now flat refuse to put up with their existence. These people have threatened the life and livelihood of my family and others close to me that I love and care about, continue to do so, and show not only a lack of empathy but a sick, gleeful, sadistic joy in the idea that my mother can no longer get her medications or that school children will kill themselves or their peers. I’m tired of subsidizing their idiocy and trying to claw progress out of their hateful, regressive policies. I’m tired of having to explain to people why all persons should have equal rights. I’m tired of feeling threatened in public areas by skinheaded fucks with assault rifles. I’m tired of worrying for my partner’s safety when they leave for work.

          Conservatives have, to date, done nothing whatsoever of benefit to anyone but themselves, ever, and I’m tired of having to act like they are rational actors. They are not. They are greedy, spiteful, selfish fucks, they do not have reasonable viewpoints, and I’m tired of having to act like they do. You should be too. The gentle coddling of such ridiculous viewpoints because “all opinions matter!” has directly led us to our two-party travesty and the casual ignoring of all norms or laws by Trump and Co. These people need to be told when their opinions are stupid and wrong and we’ve been very, very long overdue in doing that. Failure to do so leads to - drumroll - take a look around outside.

          So yeah. Our Canadian friend here is right. The anger is very long overdue. Fact is, conservatives are untrustworthy and worthless and I don’t actually care if telling them that helps them or not. We’ve tried to help them, repeatedly, and been pushed away and ridiculed for it time and time again. So it’s time to speak a language that they understand.

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                Ah, the ‘I know better but won’t say why’ routine. Classic move for someone who values posturing over discussion. If there’s a real point, say it. If not, I’m out. Take care.

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                  I guess you’ll have to find a quantum of solace in your taking of the high road.

                  Bask in that, and perhaps take a victory lap.

                  Most definitely pat yourself on the back.

                  Consider getting the last word in, or not.

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      If they took action and failed I don’t hold anything against them. It’s better to try and fail than not try at all.

      Unfortunately the scale of what’s happening right now is existential, so they find themselves in the crossfire.

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        Not a single american voted for THIS. Trump didn’t give any indication he was going to do this. This is ALL his doing. As far as you guys pushing americans to strap up, 1. Our quality if life has yet to be affected, when that happens, more people will act. 2. As for people like myself, I have a bi daughter, if and when the time comes for me to open up the armory, I will but right now, just.acting will ruin all of our lives. 3. I have worked extremely hard for my entire life, I just.got a house, reached my career goal and my lifes goal of making 6 figures.I’m not upper.class, but I’ve come from poverty and I’m not throwing that away. 4. WHEN things get bad or if trump actually acted on trying to take over.canada, more than half of.us would fight with you, but trump is.full of shit. Just.don’t buy.american shit.and.move on with your lives. We got you. Shit will change, but don’t expect me to pull the strap over mediocrity and toothless threats.

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          With all due respect, did you guys all forget about 2016 to 2020? Did you forget about Jan 6th?

          I get that there were other issues to worry about during the election, but Project 2025 was out inthe open, it was in the press, democrats talked about it.

          I do not believe for a second that half of you would show up to fight for Canada. How would you actually do that? American’s aren’t even fighting for themselves as DOGE is cutting out your entire government.

          Trump just dumped the military lawyers and the top brass who won’t swear fealty.

          He’s having his goverment draw up invasion plans for Panama, and do you really expect us to think he’s not doing the same for Canada and Greenland behind closed doors?

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          Not a single american voted for THIS. Trump didn’t give any indication he was going to do this.

          When you say ‘any indication’, since project 2025 and his last term were both real, you mean to say ‘every indication’, correct?

          The guy was a felon stalling the investigation of his own mishandling of secrets, during rape trials, and people voted that clown show in.

          There’s no trump voter unaware of any of that.

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            I’m exclusively talking about annexing Canada bro. And I’m not.not defending the moron or his followers. I’m just saying when it comes to annexing canada, no one knew about that shit. But like I said, it’s idle threats. Don’t lose sleep over it. Trump doesn’t control our soldiers, even tho he has the title. Americans wouldn’t follow thru with that shit even if he ordered it.

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              ooooh maaaaan nobody knew about this specific thing around all the other sea of known fascist, transphobic, racist, xenophobic nazi shit! that makes it alllllll better

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      I have the utmost sympathy and care for democrats and independents who tried and failed. I can’t tell them how to feel, but I’d feel scared and helpless.