• thelastknowngod@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    Does too much for one tool (against unix philosophy)

    This tired, old argument needs to die already.

    Do you use browser extensions? That breaks unix philosophy too.

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      9 months ago

      You just compared a browser extension and an init system that takes proc id 1. The unix philosophy is about what runs as processes at the system level.

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        9 months ago

        The unix philosophy is about what runs as processes at the system level.

        I don’t know what you mean by “system level” (cat is userspace) but I don’t believe there is any clarification about what kind of applications should apply to the unix philosophy or not. It doesn’t say that applications “should do one thing and do it well only if it is a system process or terminal based program built for purely shell environments.”

        Also, if the argument was exclusively about OS processes, dbus should be in the firing line of everyone in the anti-systemd camp too. That never gets the same level of hate.

        The unix philosophy is old and, while nice to have, is insufficient to fully address the needs of the modern world. It’s not as simple today as it was in the 1960s and 70s and we need to embrace change to progress.

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          9 months ago

          I’m honestly not sure what you’re talking about here. The unix philosophy is something informal that applies to compiled utilities that run usually in a bin/ directory. The philosophy isn’t attempting to apply to all software that exists and certainly doesn’t intend to apply to browsers or browser extensions.

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          9 months ago

          Dbus does only one thing: relays messages.

          as it was in the 1960s and 70s

          You will be surprised, but Turing machine was created during WW2, and we still say turing-complete today.

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      9 months ago

      Adblock does only one thing: blocks ads. Doesn’t sound phylosophy-breaking.

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      9 months ago

      You just compared a browser extension and an init system that takes proc id 1. The unix philosophy is about what runs as processes at the system level.