If you don’t want to sign up to sounds you can listen on the terminal using mpv/vlc. Example:
mpv https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001r7jn
Interesting interview - it is incredibly spicy at points. Both of them lost their cool at several points here and I don’t think either of them come out sounding good.
For what it’s worth I think Hallam’s spiel about acting emotionally instead of using critical thinking sounds pretty suspect but clearly he’s found this an effective line to take when campaigning.
Got to the end. That was insane. I’ve been listening to Political Thinking since the beginning and have never heard anything like that.