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      I’m glad you said, “so called” leftists/tankies. This is from 2015 and they talk about mixing up the ideologies on purpose.

      “Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”

      The goal is to keep opinions we don’t want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can,…

      https://archive.is/PoUMo

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        I thought that guy was talking about organized shilling for corporate interests? Not geopolitical ones? I mean I’m sure the tactics are the same (actually I’m sure they are orders of magnitude more sophisticated now when done by state actors), just wanted to correct the record about that particular person.

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          Why do you want to correct the record? It was about politics anyway, whether this guy admits it or not. Cambridge Analytica was a thing.

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        Yeah. Human greed and corruption destroys the planet. It infests capitalism just as it does communism or anarchism or whatever else.

        Not to say that capitalism doesn’t inflame and amplify some of its failings in specific ways that we urgently need to do something about or else be destroyed… but again, so does everything else as far as I can tell. Getting rid of capitalism won’t do a damn thing to solve the actual problem, I don’t think.

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      I was looking for a Cowbee quote that I thought I remembered that it was impossible for Russia to be imperialist, by definition, because it was opposed to the US and that means it can’t be imperialist. Clearly. I found this, though, and got distracted from the original mission:

      Like I said, why not try to get some people elected in the next cycle?

      Because electoralism cannot establish Socialism. The Squad are not Socialists, they are Social Democrats. The only Socialist you can vote for is Claudia De La Crúz, and she cannot win because she cannot get 270 votes.

      I am not “proving your point,” it is physically impossible to do what you’re suggesting.

      Physically impossible for a socialist to win an election. Clearly. Which is why we need to vote for socialists.

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        At our current rate its looking like it might be easier just to start a new country. Let the Redhats take theirs and we’ll build some place sensible.