• orrk@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    do you really think that handing over the hostages will not have the IDF kill a fuck ton of Palestinians?

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      1 year ago

      Yes. History shows us that they will continue to bomb until they get their people back.

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        1 year ago

        nah, history shows that they will keep bombing Gaza until the imaginary blood price has been paid.

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          1 year ago

          You clearly don’t understand the history of the region. Israel has given back the Golan to the Lebanese, the Sinai to the Egyptians and Gaza to the Palestinians.

          If you leave them alone, they’ll leave you alone. If you fuck with them, they’ve shown they will grind your bones into dust indistinguishable from the rubble of the buildings you’re hiding your missiles in.

          That’s what history tells us. Hamas is about to get a history lesson.

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            1 year ago

            your not very good with history are you?

            Golan, considered Syrian under Israeli occupation by everyone but the USA (and that only during trumps presidency)

            Sinai, forced peaceful withdrawal by American and Various European nations to open up the Suez

            Gaza, an open air concentration camp

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              1 year ago

              Are you trying to claim Israel hasn’t given back lands they captured while being attacked in the Golan and Sinai?

              Just want to be clear about this.

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                1 year ago

                so, again: Golan: under Israeli occupation right now, this very second, as i type this comment.

                Sinai: Israel was forced to give this land back by an international coalition that threatened to send their own military to do it instead, this was the solution to the Suez Crisis and ironically one of the few things the USA and the Soviets actually did together, thwarting the French and British neocolonial aims for Africa.

                Now aside from that, you seem to have a different definition of “being attacked”, you see I don’t view the side that strikes first as “being attacked” but rather “attacking”, I know this is a common myth spread by American conservative groups and think tanks like PraugerU, but it’s just factually incorrect, just like your assertion about Golan.

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                  1 year ago

                  So you’re admitting to redefining terms based on how they benefit you. That you’re trying to position Israel being attacked by five different countries at the same time as if Israel’s the aggressor really puts a point on your anti-semitism. Israel didn’t throw the first punch there, or in the yk war. The record is clear on those fronts.

                  Israel gave backland in the Golan. They’ve maintained a position there for their defense which has proven to be necessary and valuable over the past 75 years. That doesn’t negate the fact that they gave backland in the Golan. Egypt lost the war. Israel held the land and gave it back. That proves they will give back land in order to move the peace process forward. Your blind Jew hate makes you unable to admit this reality.

                  You’re really working hard to spin facts in an anti-semitic way. You’ve admitted that you will redefine reality to suit your purposes and you’ve demonstrated that you have no issues doing it. Different definitions, alternative facts, it’s all just lies dude.

                  All we have here is you lying and spreading propaganda. At least we have you’re admitting to it though.

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                    1 year ago

                    my god, Israel started the 6-day war, this is a fact, the fucking Israeli government even said it did!

                    and Israel returned Golan so hard Trump formerly had the US recognize it as Israeli territory, and just like the west bank the Israeli supreme court literally confirmed that it is under belligerent occupation.

                    You are literally repeating American Conservative propaganda not even Israel agrees with!