Firefish is a new Fediverse social platform with a beautiful design, cool features, and great tools for your feed. It has a lot of potential to grow.
Firefish is a new Fediverse social platform with a beautiful design, cool features, and great tools for your feed. It has a lot of potential to grow.
very nice article…
…Just a few small comments:
For me, the biggest disadvantage of Firefish at the moment is that it doesn’t yet federate properly with Lemmy.
Yeah, I get that it’s not that new, especially since it’s a rebranded fork. But, as a fediverse project with its own brand and design sensibilities, it’s relatively new, especially compared to Mastodon.
Unfortunately, I’ve used the Antennas for like two months, and they’re janky. The “non-retroactive data fill” point that you make is only partially true, and seems to mostly apply to filters pertaining to a collection of users, or a collection of servers as a data source. It’s a confusing UX papercut. Worse yet, my Fediverse Devs antenna example has been around for two months, and barely produces anything most of the time.
I don’t believe that an “official branded app” is strictly necessary. What I meant was more in line with “Firefish could really use apps developed for its features specifically.” Sadly, Misskey compatible apps continues to be a wasteland compared to the plethora of Mastodon ones.
The whole “the flagship instance is a sandbox test instance” is kind of a sometimes-true sometimes-not situation. It’s definitely less stable now than it was two months ago, but that kind of messaging and expectations management didn’t seem to really happen until sometime after the CalcKey migration.
And yeah, proper group / community federation with Lemmy is a huge deal! I’m looking forward to what Pixelfed is doing with Groups, as they look somewhat similar, and aim to maximize compatibility while providing good management tools.
Thank you for your answer. I hadn’t realised before that you yourself are the author ;-) So it’s a really good article, I just selectively quoted the aspects that I see differently or have experienced differently.
I don’t use Firefish that much yet. My main account is in Friendica and I would like to move my Mastodon account to Firefish, but the lack of federation with Lemmy (or other groups like Friendica forums) is still holding me back. However, I have had very good experiences with the Antennas in particular and have also heard of many good experiences with them. I get a lot of content there that is usually appropriate and not covered by subscribing to hashtags. Lemmy accounts/communities cannot yet be followed from Firefish, but I get content from Lemmy via the News Picker. You might have to ask Firefish experts what the problems could be.
I am perhaps a bit sensitive to the topic of the flagship instance, because it reminded me of all the discussions about Mastodon-social and their onboarding process, which pushed their instance very aggressively, which in my opinion had negative effects for the Fediverse (centralisation) and for the users of this instance (very slow, lack of moderation, spam bots, etc.). When I have heard from Firefish users about performance problems, it was always users of firefish.social (or previously calckey.social), never from other instances. But that is of course a subjective impression.
On the subject of apps, it was also difficult that the “Mastodon” app pushed itself so to the fore. Many who enter the Fediverse via this app do not even know that 1. there would have been other instances than Mastodon.social 2. that they are in the Fediverse and also communicate with many users who do not use Mastodon 3. that there are many other apps they could use.
Very often questions like “Help, x and y don’t work, I can’t find that etc.” come up and very often it turns out that it really doesn’t work in this official app (but in all the others). In any case, Firefish doesn’t need an app like this. But of course it would be great if there were an app that really included the Firefish-specific features. In my opinion, an app as an end in itself has no added value when the PWA is much better. I think the Firefish project should therefore prioritise the stable functioning and further development of the existing functions rather than the development of its own app. But I can’t really comment because I don’t really need any apps (for the Fediverse).
I hope that the proper group / community federation will come soon. In any case, the devs wrote to me once about the question, saying that it is planned.
Btw, can you suggest some?
Have a look at Megalodon and Moshidon.
I’ve been happy with Tusky https://tusky.app/
I’m using tusky already. it’s alright, but it doesn’t even have an explore tab.
I also use Tusky, but only for simple purposes, to have a quick look at my Mastodon and Friendica accounts. Fedilab (which also supports Firefish, but only basic functions) can do a bit more. For Mastodon, Moshidon and Megadolon are often recommended.
I’ve tried a few of them but haven’t found anything better than the PWA 🤷
Random question that people may not know the answer to, but is calckey.world run by the same people that run Lemmy.world? I’ve been pleased with this Lemmy instance and the people who are running it seem to know what they’re doing, and if so I’d just sign up with that one.
I believe it is. Calckey was the old name of the platform.
@caos
One point on Lemmy. What software best federates with Lemmy? I’m posting this comment from a Mastodon account through Fedilabs. The Lemmy thread is understandable, more or less. Is this only a matter of client and UI?
@deadsuperhero
@RookieNerd
Also seen from a pixelfed account, the main post of a lemmy thread is fully readable, but I can’t see the comments
@caos @deadsuperhero
@talou @caos @deadsuperhero whaaat :O screenshot please
@RookieNerd
Nope, the main post of each lemmy thread is a title+link only as seen from mastodon web client and background interface. Although comments are fully readables.
Let’s hope this will be better in lemmy/masto future versions
@caos @deadsuperhero
@talou @caos @deadsuperhero A nice and good read in this regard comes from the ActivityPub academy: https://seb.jambor.dev/posts/understanding-activitypub-part-2-lemmy/
This explains it very well
Mastodon cannot display posts with headings and the thread view is very rudimentary. In my experience, the best way of displaying and federating with Lemmy is with Friendica.
that’s just not true > when c.s switched over to dev branch in april 2023, this was not motivated by wanting to become a “test instance” > rather, this was a desperate move to keep the instance afloat which by then had been become quite wonky > afterwards, things got even worse, so the transpicuous idea to rebrand the whole project
noting, absolutely nothing about f.s is about being a test instance > see also atomicpoet’s post about movin away from f.s - f.s was supposed to be a flagship instance, but only evolved into a shipwreck
the biggest disadvantage of firefish: its community which has become like a sect - but that had been going on for a very long time already …
Didn’t know about atomicpoet moving on from firefish.social. Makes sense. Interesting time for firefish then, as it seemed atomicpoet and their contacts were supporting the platform in a number of ways. The departure seems a little like that got burnt out leaving the lead dev and their contributors to their own devices.
This is perhaps not representative it’s just random infos that reached me. I am not in the Firefish community or even sect, but only have a test account on a small instance as a supplement. I only have a relatively large number of contacts to other Firefish users, who in turn help newer users get started with Firefish. And there is very often the recommendation to avoid the “flagship” instance, also with reference to the recommendations of devs. I had also followed Atomicpoet for a while, but there was a bit too much input, so I rather heard from Kainoa or Calculator.