• ikapoz@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    Fault and fairness are irrelevant; theyā€™ve never had anything to do with how government functions and damn sure donā€™t look to start mattering any time soon. A two party system this polarized simply will. not. work.

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      9 months ago

      Which is exactly why itā€™s important not to bail the republicans out of their self imposed ongoing schism. They need to be broken up and that canā€™t happen unless they repeatedly fail to caucus together on even simple procedural tasks like electing a speaker. This is an ideal problem brought upon themselves to show they are already not a single unified party. Just a loose agglomeration of shit stirrers. Two bad kids in their granddadā€™s trench coat.

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        I certainly wouldnā€™t say that bailing them out is the best choice, either from a moral or a practical point of view. My point was merely that the eight nutters here are not the real problem. They are merely symptom of much more grave and perhaps systemic threats to the governmental system.

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          ā€¦ which Republicans have a large hand in perpetuating.

          Iā€™m not saying Democrats are the saints and angels, but theyā€™re a damn sight better than their red-faced counter-parts. What little enabling their members do pales in comparison to the enabling of the Republican party.

          Wholesale change needs to happen. And moving The Leftovers party out of itā€™s middle-of-the-road approach is part of that, but itā€™s not even close to a majority. Trying to lump the two together as some sort of ā€œeveryone in government is bad!ā€ approach is disingenuous and antithetical to seeking change.

          If you want to see a solution, stop trying to generalize the problem. Weā€™ve had generalized ā€œsolutionsā€ for decades, and itā€™s done nothing but slow the degradation a little bit at best.

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            9 months ago

            Your assumption that Iā€™m making an argument to moderation is fundamentally incorrect and a little insulting.

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              My assumption is that youā€™re casting too wide a net because youā€™re just tired of the status quo, but you donā€™t really know who to really blame. So youā€™re blaming everyone.

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      9 months ago

      They are relevant when it comes to elections. And thatā€™s all that ultimately matters in our system.