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    It should, but it won’t because every time someone tries to outlaw circumcision Jews will kvetch about it and call them a nazi

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      Damn. I’m not even an atheist and I agree with OP. Your take is just antisemitic.

      We should take this a step further though. Any kind of genital mutilation should be illegal, including bottom surgery.

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          It’s also happened in a few places in the US. Cities or states tried to outlaw the practice and religious communities screeched about not being allowed to carve up babies’ bodies.

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        Why does any kind of bottom surgery have to be illegal? Why not just limit it to consenting people above the age of majority?

        Grouping bottom surgery with genital mutilation makes you sound like an alt-right troll, and it bugs me that this is well received on this website.

        Edit: “I’m not even an atheist” means absolutely nothing. You’re just teaming up with an atheist in an online argument to bash Jews.

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        Bottom surgery should only be illegal if it’s done nonconsensually. Adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t pose a significant risk to their health.

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          Adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t pose a significant risk to someone else’s health

          Fixed that for you. Don’t give conservatives ammo to legislate my right to tattoos away.

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            Tattoos do not pose a significant risk to your health. Yes, there is a risk, there’s also a risk from riding a bike or going swimming. If it would put a person at significant risk for major health issues it should not be legal.

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        Damn I should tell my surgeon he mutilated me. And my other surgeon, who took out my tonsils, also mutilated me. My dental surgeon, the wisdom teeth removal - believe it or not, also mutilation. Don’t even get me started on my dad’s heart surgeon, that butcher.

        Moron.

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          I’m sorry but yes, you should consider bottom surgery mutilation. There’s a difference between the other things but I’m sure you’re missing it.

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            The big difference is the consent; bottom surgery is done with the consent of the patient and circumsicions are typically done to babies who have no say in the matter. Heck, if someone wants to get circumsized later in life, they absolutely should be able to. Don’t get the whole thing about ‘mutilation’, adults should be able to do whatever they want to their bodies.

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            Bottom surgery is literally, definitionally, not mutilation when it’s done for a consenting adult.

            If you want to call bottom surgery mutilation by your own definition, then literally every surgery is mutilation. But like, cutting out my defective heart and installing a working one, while technically “mutilating” me, is objectively a good for my health.

            You can call surgery mutilation if you want, but it isn’t helpful to anyone and it only serves to make transphobes feel good about themselves.

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            So someone getting bottom surgery after their penis was irreparably damaged in an accident is being mutilated? Or someone treating a medical issue so they stop passing out from their Cramps? Wow, I’m glad my doc mutilated me out of pain. 🤦

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              Do you always try to start arguments by making shit up about what the other person said? Yes? Ok then, you do you I guess.

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                You’re saying that bottom surgery is genital mutilation. They’re giving examples of situations where even a transphobes should agree that bottom surgery is good. If it is mutilation in those examples, then you agree with what they said. If it isn’t mutilation in those examples, then it isn’t mutilation in the first place.

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                We should take this a step further though. Any kind of genital mutilation should be illegal, including bottom surgery.

                You said bottom surgery was mutilation and should be illegal. Those are both bottom surgeries, therefore by your own statement you think they should be illegal. I don’t have to make shit up when you already did that for me.

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                    What are you talking about? They’re saying that bottom surgery has legitimate medical applications, which it does. I don’t know whether to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just replied without reading the comment, or give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re smart enough to read and are actually calling people who get bottom surgery pedophiles.

                    Either way, this whole comment section is really making me second guess my commitment to quit reddit, if this is the caliber of discussion we have here.

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                    Lemme help you out here buddy

                    @Eleazar@sh.itjust.works made the incredibly transphobic and apparently popular argument that all bottom surgery is genital mutilation.

                    @such_lettuce7970@kbin.social replied to them, saying that they dont consider the bottom surgery they recieved to be genital mutilation.

                    @Eleazar@sh.itjust.works made the incredibly offensive comment that yes, actually, such_lettuce7970 was mutilated.

                    @RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world replied saying that sometimes bottom surgery is medically necessary, implying that when it is medically necessary, it’s wrong to consider it mutilation.

                    Then you called him a fucktard for some unfathomable reason.

                    @irmoz@reddthat.com said that you read their comment wrong, because you still assume they’re talking about infant circumcision.

                    Did this help?

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                    Circumcision isn’t mutilation. That’s a fact. Infant circumcision to appease a sky fairy or to fit in with your neighbours? Yeah that’s mutilation.

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          It should be noted that some adults decide to receive bottom surgery and that’s respectable. It’s clear some people here don’t get the nuance.