Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he doesnā€™t know that a ceasefire is possible in the Israel-Hamas war with ā€œan organization like Hamasā€ involved.

ā€œI donā€™t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,ā€ Sanders told CNNā€™s Dana Bash on ā€œState of the Unionā€ Sunday.

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    How many people will die in the next conflict though? Or do we just expect Israel to regularly have thousands of citizens murdered and hundreds taken hostage as a regular course of business?

    Nobody likes the human casualties. But at this point, the Taliban could take control in Gaza and do a better and more peaceful job.

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      Palestinian casualties are casualties, and thereā€™s millions of Palestinians whose lives are currently in danger. If not a ceasefire, what do you think is the ideal first step for preventing as many casualties as possible?

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        If not a ceasefire, what do you think is the ideal first step for preventing as many casualties as possible?

        In the long run or the short run? If I only care about the casualties in the next 1-3 months; of course I want a ceasefire. Iā€™d be a fool not to. However; if I widen my view to 12 months, 24, 5 years Hamas is going to kill thousands of Gazans a year if left in power. Itā€™s going to kill them by starting more wars, by impoverishing them, by keeping them from accessing the aid thatā€™s being provisioned from them.

        Like itā€™s not like people are heartless. Whatā€™s happening in Gaza is horrible and I wish it wouldnā€™t. But it feels like taking out Hamasā€™ ability to govern and rule is like taking off a bandaid. Itā€™s best done quickly.

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          thousands

          Again, there are millions of Palestinians currently in danger. Thousands have been killed by Israel in a month. I donā€™t see how hamas is a larger threat than Israel.

          Iā€™m not a fan of Hamas. Theyā€™re there because someone hasnā€™t allowed Palestine to have an election in over a decade. Taking out Hamasā€™ ability to govern and rule could be done quickly by allowing an election.

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            I donā€™t see how hamas is a larger threat than Israel.

            If Hamas retains itā€™s military might, how many more wars causing thousands of casualties a month will happen in the next 5 years?

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              If Israel agrees to a ceasefire, then allows aid to flow in and new elections to be freely held, Hamas will cause zero wars in the next five years, because they wonā€™t have any power.

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                  11 months ago

                  Hamas ran on an entirely different platform (of moderation) to a different group of voters. Why not see what happens?

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                    Convince the EU to support sanctions until an election. Thatā€™s whatā€™s keeping Hamas going.