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Jews are cool but Israel really sucks.
Do Jews have better air-conditioning or something? I fucking hate summer
That’s temperatureist.
Well, what’s your solution?
The same solution to Apartheid in south Africa. Give the Palestinians the rights they deserve, stop oppressing them and Hamas magically disappears.
Also israel not funding Hamas could help. They surpress people and fund the organization that does armed resistance. Mhhh wonder why they got so many members.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Give the Palestinians the rights they deserve, stop oppressing them and Hamas magically disappears.
There’s just no guarantee for that specific outcome.
Look what happened with the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Nominally, the Taliban were fighting the Western oppressors. But when U.S. troops left, the Taliban didn’t just magically disappear.
For that matter, look at Saudi Arabia or Iran or Qatar or Dubai or Abu Dhabi. They’re essentially doing the exact same thing as the Taliban, just with a lot more money. No outside oppressor there.
Given that Hamas shares a lot of the same ideology when it comes to ruling Gaza, what makes you believe they would just magically disappear? Why wouldn’t Hamas want to rule Gaza like the Taliban rule Afghanistan, or like the House of Saud rules Saudi Arabia?
The solution was reached weeks ago when they killed 1200 innocent civilians. Now they’re at 10x that amount. Time for them to go home and not do an ethnic cleansing.
I accidentally got banned from a Lemmy community and I’m truly trying to be as reasonable as possible so this is some touchy stuff because it’s horrible & true — especially if one on your relative perished in the Oct 6 surprise attack at the concert. Please don’t ban me but some of us have relatives that were killed in the attack and so… it’s horrible and true.
I’ve been banned from some random communities for pointing out that people are fully supporting Hamas, or just being brutally Antisemitic. This vileness is everywhere you look right now.
You weren’t accidentally banned. Just saying.
Hope you and your family are holding up okay. This is a shit time.
It’s not self defense. Your relatives were sacrificed by the Israeli government to create a pretext to commit genocide against Palestinians.
Israel bombed hostages, hospitals, refugee camps, and buses full of children, If What Hamas did was terrorism then what Israel’s doing is also terrorism.
There really is no way to bomb hospitals and then blame the hospital for being a human shield when it was your bomb that murdered those children.
In a just world there will be a reckoning for the government of Israel, and it involves sending a great deal of them to the Hague where they will hang until death.
So when Hamas guns down Israeli civilians that are not next to military targets it’s justified and actually the fault of the jews, and when Israel strikes Hamas military targets that are deliberately placed next to their own civilians it’s never justified and the jews hould hang?
Very cool.
There really is no way to bomb hospitals and then blame the hospital for being a human shield when it was your bomb that murdered those children.
What do you realistically expect armies to do when their opponents place all their military assets next to civilian targets? Just give up and kill themselves?
Those are the only two options I guess, indiscriminately murder civilians and blow up hospitals or suicide.
That’s obviously the only option out there.
You’re the only person saying " the Jews should hang" I’m saying people who commit war crimes should go to the place where the world has decided to try war criminals and then they should punish them like we have punished war criminals in the past.
We hung Nazis we should hang Netanyahu, they’re the same fucking thing.
The fact that he’s saying “the jews” and not “Jewish people” at all is a huge red flag. Huge racist tone.
Those are the only two options I guess, indiscriminately murder civilians and blow up hospitals or suicide.
Feel free to share your operational plan for how the Israelis should proceed, I’m sure it will be very realistic and grounded in military reality.
I’m saying people who commit war crimes should go to the place where the world has decided to try war criminals and then they should punish them like we have punished war criminals in the past.
So you’re obviously also saying that Hamas should be hung from the neck until dead.
Attacking a hospital containing active enemy combatants is not a war crime. Garrisoning troops in a hospital is a war crime. Not making necessary precautions to move civilians away from the combat area is also a war crime.
Deliberately harming civilians is a war crime. Harming civilians by accident or as a byproduct of necessary military action is not a war crime.
Lol are you fucking stupid? Necessary to murder civilians? You hamas supporting psychopath.
I feel like you either don’t understand what I wrote or deliberately misunderstood it.
Feel free to ask if you need help understanding what I wrote.
Nah, I fully understood that you think civilians in a hospital going bombed is acceptable collateral damage. And I think you’re scum for that.
Whoa whoa whoa. That’s some hell of a leap in logic. No to your entire comment.
So how do you deal with opponents deliberately putting their military infrastructure next to civilian targets?
You’re refusing to separate a genocidal israeli government from the race of Jewish people. You are arguing in bad faith and are yourself a piece of shit. Good day.
Your performative outrage is pretty funny.
In another comment from you I’m a Hamas supporter.
Lol are you fucking stupid? Necessary to murder civilians? You hamas supporting psychopath.
Funnily enough, all of this is in response to someone saying that the Israeli government sacrificed someone’s family after they were murdered, which you apparently don’t have any problem with.
Nah, I have a problem with both sides. That’s the only acceptable position. Hamas is a terrorist organization that uses civilians as Shields, and Isreal is a genocidal regime bent on literally wiping Palestinians off the face of the earth. Both sides suck. Why are we fighting over which turd is bigger when we need to clean it all up?
Nah, I have a problem with both sides.
The most important thing is that you can attack everybody and feel superior to them all.
Why are we fighting over which turd is bigger when we need to clean it all up?
I’m not fighting for either side, I’m just disagreeing with the assertion that the concert goers who were murdered by Hamas were “sacrificed by Israel”.
Kinda hard to not feel superior to terrorists and genocidal governments though.
No need to make it look like I’m biased though. If Israel did the same to their own citizens as hamas (not care about them, use them as a living shield, train them as terrorists, tell them from the child age they need to kill Palestinians) I’d criticize them much stronger.
tell them from the child age they need to kill Palestinians
I guess you don’t know how education works in a fascist country, then? Go on… ask me how it works.
use them as a living shield
If you believe that, I have to ask… what other white supremacist apologetics do you fall for?
I guess you don’t know how education works in a fascist country, then?
My guess it works slightly different than this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ
If you believe that, I have to ask…
Do you mean it was Israeli who placed tunnels and terrorist infrastructure under Gaza’s hospitals?
Do you mean it was Israeli who placed tunnels and terrorist infrastructure under Gaza’s hospitals?
Yes? That’s not being disputed anymore, Israel admitted it.
What makes someone a human shield is not the coward hiding in the crowd but the psycho shooting into it.
Yes? That’s not being disputed anymore, Israel admitted it.
Is this a joke? What made you think so?
What makes someone a human shield is not the coward hiding in the crowd but the psycho shooting into it.
You forgot the part where you make your opponent a psycho by constantly shooting at them, without which they wouldn’t attack you in a way that would cause anyone think you use someone as a shield.
Or, you know, stop killing on both sides 🤷♂️
Totally. Let’s start by no longer giving billions of dollars worth of bombs to Israel and sanctioning them like Iran and Hamas.
Agreed.
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I honestly don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
Sure, you wanna call to tell them or should I?
They both stopped answering my emails a while back
So we should probably stop giving them bombs.
Who’s giving bombs to both sides?
Russia maybe? Not sure that matters, though.
Sure, we just also have to figure out how to prevent Hamas from being given rockets.
I’m pretty sure the US isn’t giving them rockets so we’re good on that.
Hamas is literally digging up water pipes to turn them into rockets so in a roundabout way they kind of are giving them stuff to build rockets
Well so long as Hamas is getting rockets, Israel needs them too. When you figure out how to stop rockets getting to Hamas, then we can talk about disarming Israel.
Yeah i don’t think that’s a real argument.
Perhaps if we make a TikTok together asking them nicely to stop fighting. Maybe we could usher in a new era of peace with our thoughts and prayers.
You’re obviously being facetious, in response to my facetious comment so I’m not really sure what your angle is, but how do you actually propose to stop the killing on both sides?
I don’t. I’m just making a joke. There’s nothing we can do. They don’t want to stop. Meanwhile a bunch of innocent people are dying. What do we do? Go in as a global collaborative and say “stop?” I mean, no governments are going to do that. It also sets an ugly precedent. Who decides what’s worth fighting for? The good guys or the bad guys? Everyone seems bad to me. I’m curious what the average Israeli civilian thinks of all this. They can’t agree, can they?
All of those Palestinian children are doing so much killing.
You’re an idiot.
