I mean, I’m a nut for EVs, but they are correct. EVs are likely better in the long run, but producing them still produces a ton of greenhouse gasses and other environmental concerns. The best bet is to encourage people to drive less, build better infrastructure so fewer people have to buy cars, and focus on reduction of reliance on driving as a whole.
Hell, even for me, my whole plan was to drive my EV into the ground, using it as long as possible to offset it’s upfront environmental costs, but my battery failed after 38k miles. I got a lemon :(. Thankfully, it’s covered under warranty and they built me a new battery, but now my car has the battery environmental cost of two EVs so it’ll likely never be as efficient as if I’d just bought a damn Honda Civic. Admittedly, I’m a statistical outlier, but it still sucks :(
Ur right ICE factories make no greenhouse emissions at all and have 250M ICEs on the road makes lots less emissions than EVs. Having existing electrical plants produce power will just make more greenhouse gasses than all the ICE cars they have helped replace.
They can both be bad, even if one is less bad. I’m all for EV adoption. It’s better in the long run. However, less driving altogether would be more impactful.
I live here. I don’t care about the environment costs in another country if their government doesn’t step in to protect them. Whe used to mine super dirty in the US and its way safer now than it used to be. As the market grows, the demand grows, and hopefully, the countries most impacted by their own dirty practices will step up and help their citizens run cleaner operations with the added financial security. I’m not gonna act too concerned about it, though if the people actually impacted don’t care.
Tell that to the child slaves mining resources for first world consumers. Unfortunately, the citizens of less developed countries’ opinions don’t matter if their government is corrupt.
I would, but they probably would still mine it anyway to survive. Human history is full of people risking their lives for survival. We make the trade willingly at every turn. Diplomats can play the shame game with their governments if they want, but I’m no diplomat.
I’m not exploiting them. I’m buying stuff about 6 steps down the line from their initial labor. If you let yourself be enslaved by feelings of oppression by existing in a global economy, you’ll perpetually live in the stone age.
If you want to do something about it, you’ll have to go fight a warlord or slavers or something because refusing to buy anything with a battery I just not living in the real world.
Okay, cool. I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t ever buy any batteries. I have an electric car in my driveway right now.
The whole point of what I initially said was to recognize that, although one is definitely worse than the other, there are environmental costs to both ICE vehicles and EV vehicles and to reduce our carbon emissions we should focus more on being less car dependent in general.
You’ve gone off about how you don’t care about other people or your downstream effects on them and I don’t really know why I’ve engaged with this pointless conversation.
Because you wanted to. You intentionally misconstrued comments to talk shit online, so I trolled you further to make you do It more. You can dish out exaggerated responses but couldn’t just drop it when I made it clear I wouldn’t be shamed by your crusade.
Next time, don’t bother with the virtue signaling, just tell your truth and refrain from trying to tell people they support slavery or some ignorant shit you obviously know isn’t true.
How do you think it doesn’t? Can you explain point by point how your comparison works? Does haing 250M less ICEs in a country somehow increase greenhouse gasses?
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I mean, I’m a nut for EVs, but they are correct. EVs are likely better in the long run, but producing them still produces a ton of greenhouse gasses and other environmental concerns. The best bet is to encourage people to drive less, build better infrastructure so fewer people have to buy cars, and focus on reduction of reliance on driving as a whole.
Hell, even for me, my whole plan was to drive my EV into the ground, using it as long as possible to offset it’s upfront environmental costs, but my battery failed after 38k miles. I got a lemon :(. Thankfully, it’s covered under warranty and they built me a new battery, but now my car has the battery environmental cost of two EVs so it’ll likely never be as efficient as if I’d just bought a damn Honda Civic. Admittedly, I’m a statistical outlier, but it still sucks :(
Ur right ICE factories make no greenhouse emissions at all and have 250M ICEs on the road makes lots less emissions than EVs. Having existing electrical plants produce power will just make more greenhouse gasses than all the ICE cars they have helped replace.
They can both be bad, even if one is less bad. I’m all for EV adoption. It’s better in the long run. However, less driving altogether would be more impactful.
I live here. I don’t care about the environment costs in another country if their government doesn’t step in to protect them. Whe used to mine super dirty in the US and its way safer now than it used to be. As the market grows, the demand grows, and hopefully, the countries most impacted by their own dirty practices will step up and help their citizens run cleaner operations with the added financial security. I’m not gonna act too concerned about it, though if the people actually impacted don’t care.
Tell that to the child slaves mining resources for first world consumers. Unfortunately, the citizens of less developed countries’ opinions don’t matter if their government is corrupt.
I would, but they probably would still mine it anyway to survive. Human history is full of people risking their lives for survival. We make the trade willingly at every turn. Diplomats can play the shame game with their governments if they want, but I’m no diplomat.
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You’re right, so we might as well exploit those less fortunate than us because they were unlucky enough to be born where they were born.
I’m not exploiting them. I’m buying stuff about 6 steps down the line from their initial labor. If you let yourself be enslaved by feelings of oppression by existing in a global economy, you’ll perpetually live in the stone age.
If you want to do something about it, you’ll have to go fight a warlord or slavers or something because refusing to buy anything with a battery I just not living in the real world.
Okay, cool. I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t ever buy any batteries. I have an electric car in my driveway right now.
The whole point of what I initially said was to recognize that, although one is definitely worse than the other, there are environmental costs to both ICE vehicles and EV vehicles and to reduce our carbon emissions we should focus more on being less car dependent in general.
You’ve gone off about how you don’t care about other people or your downstream effects on them and I don’t really know why I’ve engaged with this pointless conversation.
Because you wanted to. You intentionally misconstrued comments to talk shit online, so I trolled you further to make you do It more. You can dish out exaggerated responses but couldn’t just drop it when I made it clear I wouldn’t be shamed by your crusade.
Next time, don’t bother with the virtue signaling, just tell your truth and refrain from trying to tell people they support slavery or some ignorant shit you obviously know isn’t true.
How’s mining lithium and moving 6 tons around all day help with it?
How do you think it doesn’t? Can you explain point by point how your comparison works? Does haing 250M less ICEs in a country somehow increase greenhouse gasses?