This is not about logic! Weāre discussing religion, for Peteās sake.
Itās not my definition, itās the definition of what it means to be a Christian from the source of the word. Itās literally in the name - Christian. Spouting Bible verses doesnāt make someone a Christian. They could be Jewish, after all! Believing in Jesus doesnāt make someone a Christian - that would mean that Muslims are Christians since they believe Jesus was simply a human prophet (rather than the son of Allah). Just because youāre intellectually lazy and because your logic only extends so far as immediately obvious āif a then bā situations doesnāt mean that thereās anything wrong with my argument.
The entire point of this thread is that āChristiansā arenāt using their own logic and definitions. They can say that āMike Johnsonā isnāt a Christian because theyāre perverting the definition of the word to include whatever specific flavor they like. Even if he did fit that specific flavor, they just move the goalposts and then he suddenly becomes ānot a Christianā again.
by your definition nobody
Yet againā¦ itās not my definition. Christ was the one that defined what it means to be Christ-like. If someoneās actions do not reflect the actions of Christ, then theyāre not āChrist-likeā. I donāt understand how much more this can be spelled out for you.
Spouting Bible verses doesnāt make someone a Christian. They could be Jewish, after all! Believing in Jesus doesnāt make someone a Christian - that would mean that Muslims are Christians since they believe Jesus was simply a human prophet (rather than the son of Allah).
Claiming to be a Christian is a large part of what it takes to be a Christian by common definition. You skipped over that part likely because itās devastating to your bad argument. š„±
EDIT: I also think itās funny that you think ābelieving in Jesusā would be as simple as believing that there was a guy that walked the Earth named Jesus that said and did some holy stuff. Believing in Jesus for most people would mean believing in his divinity, not just that oh there was this swell guy that walked around at one point.
Claiming to be a Christian means nothing. I didnāt skip anything. Itās literally the same argument as the āclaiming to be a golferā and āclaiming to be a musicianā arguments that you canāt wrap your head around.
Claiming to be a Christian is not a part of what it takes to be a Christian anymore than claiming to be Scotsman makes someone not born in Scotland one.
Edit: Your edit is even stupider than the body of your post. Satan is not a Christian yet, by your definition, he would have to believe in Jesusā divinity and would, therefore, be a Christian. This is how stupid your responses are.
Satan is not a Christian yet, by your definition, he would have to believe in Jesusā divinity and would, therefore, be a Christian. This is how stupid your responses are.
I like how you keep telling me how stupid I am, but think the common sense definition for āChristianā wouldnāt include having to be a person. š
I keep telling you how stupid you are because you keep avoiding the actual point and, instead, say stupid things like what you just said as if theyāre some sort of gotcha or disprove my point. I literally cannot spell out this argument to you any more simply so, rather than assume youāre intentionally being dishonest or are arguing in bad faith (which I expect is exactly what youāre doing), I have to go with the only logical alternative which is that you are stupid and the point of this is just whizzing above your head while you look at the sky wondering.
I keep telling you how stupid you are because you keep avoiding the actual point and, instead, say stupid things like what you just said as if theyāre some sort of gotcha or disprove my point.
He posts, without a single bit of irony.
The common sense definition of āa Christianā would certainly contain āa personā or āpeopleā in it.
Cuz that sure doesnāt seem like the same dumb fucking shit you were spouting, and sure sounds a whole lot more like what I would think of as a definition before looking the fucking thing up.
I have no idea but itās not a ācommon sense definitionā or whatever bullshit you claimed. Looks like a Wikipedia entry to me.
All that to say that you have no counter so you moved onto the next bullshit straw man that you pulled out of your empty vessel. Iām done with your inanity.
When did I ever claim that words meant anything in terms of whether someone was something?
It does not. Weāve already covered this. Are you mental? A claim to be something doesnāt make someone that thing. Do I need to keep repeating the āgolferā and āmusicianā examples? Iām not arguing in circles. You seem to be twisting yourself into knots, though.
Tell me you donāt understand the Vonnegut quote without telling me you donāt understand itā¦
Edit: Just as nonsensical - āClaiming to be a golfer has a lot to do with whether or not people consider you a golfer by the common understanding of the wordā. Oh really? I thought it was whether or not you play golf that determined if you were a golfer.
When did I ever claim that words meant anything in terms of whether someone was something?
Iāve lost track of the post, but at some point you were saying someone canāt be a Jew if they deny the Commandments or something similar. Now, by your logic maybe a ādenialā is some sort of action, but denials by common definition usually take the form of words, not actions.
Now, if actions are all that count for someone to be considered āa Christianā or ānot Christianā, only a complete knowledge of every action a person ever took or will take would suffice for qualifying them or disqualifying them as Christian. So then again, youād have to basically be God in order to determine which people were Christian. Rendering the definition pointless.
āClaiming to be a golfer has a lot to do with whether or not people consider you a golfer by the common understanding of the wordā. Oh really? I thought it was whether or not you play golf that determined if you were a golfer.
How do other people know whether or not you play golf?
You arenāt a thing only when youāre actively doing it.
Iām going to ignore the first half of this post because you completely missed the point of the Ten Commandments example. I suspect youāre just actually that dense and arenāt being intentionally obtuse or feigning confusion.
You arenāt a thing only when youāre actively doing it
Of course not. But youāre definitely not a thing if you donāt do that thing at all.
Againā¦read up like 2 posts back. Thatās the entire point here. Remember? If you donāt play music, you canāt call yourself a musician. If you donāt golf, you canāt claim to be a golfer. Are you really that dense? I genuinely canāt tell if youāre a troll at this point.
This is not about logic! Weāre discussing religion, for Peteās sake.
Itās not my definition, itās the definition of what it means to be a Christian from the source of the word. Itās literally in the name - Christian. Spouting Bible verses doesnāt make someone a Christian. They could be Jewish, after all! Believing in Jesus doesnāt make someone a Christian - that would mean that Muslims are Christians since they believe Jesus was simply a human prophet (rather than the son of Allah). Just because youāre intellectually lazy and because your logic only extends so far as immediately obvious āif a then bā situations doesnāt mean that thereās anything wrong with my argument.
The entire point of this thread is that āChristiansā arenāt using their own logic and definitions. They can say that āMike Johnsonā isnāt a Christian because theyāre perverting the definition of the word to include whatever specific flavor they like. Even if he did fit that specific flavor, they just move the goalposts and then he suddenly becomes ānot a Christianā again.
Yet againā¦ itās not my definition. Christ was the one that defined what it means to be Christ-like. If someoneās actions do not reflect the actions of Christ, then theyāre not āChrist-likeā. I donāt understand how much more this can be spelled out for you.
Claiming to be a Christian is a large part of what it takes to be a Christian by common definition. You skipped over that part likely because itās devastating to your bad argument. š„±
EDIT: I also think itās funny that you think ābelieving in Jesusā would be as simple as believing that there was a guy that walked the Earth named Jesus that said and did some holy stuff. Believing in Jesus for most people would mean believing in his divinity, not just that oh there was this swell guy that walked around at one point.
Claiming to be a Christian means nothing. I didnāt skip anything. Itās literally the same argument as the āclaiming to be a golferā and āclaiming to be a musicianā arguments that you canāt wrap your head around.
Claiming to be a Christian is not a part of what it takes to be a Christian anymore than claiming to be Scotsman makes someone not born in Scotland one.
Edit: Your edit is even stupider than the body of your post. Satan is not a Christian yet, by your definition, he would have to believe in Jesusā divinity and would, therefore, be a Christian. This is how stupid your responses are.
I like how you keep telling me how stupid I am, but think the common sense definition for āChristianā wouldnāt include having to be a person. š
I keep telling you how stupid you are because you keep avoiding the actual point and, instead, say stupid things like what you just said as if theyāre some sort of gotcha or disprove my point. I literally cannot spell out this argument to you any more simply so, rather than assume youāre intentionally being dishonest or are arguing in bad faith (which I expect is exactly what youāre doing), I have to go with the only logical alternative which is that you are stupid and the point of this is just whizzing above your head while you look at the sky wondering.
He posts, without a single bit of irony.
The common sense definition of āa Christianā would certainly contain āa personā or āpeopleā in it.
ā¦and he doesnāt know what irony is.
Thereās no such thing as a ācommon sense definitionā, you absolutely vacuous moron.
Hmm, I wonder what this is then:
Christians (/ĖkrÉŖstŹÉn, -tiÉn/ ā) are people who follow or adhere to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. They form the largest religious community in the world.[10] The words Christ and Christian derive from the Koine Greek title ChristĆ³s (Ī§ĻĪ¹ĻĻĻĻ), a translation of the Biblical Hebrew term mashiach (×Öøש֓×××Ö·) (usually rendered as messiah in English).[11] While there are diverse interpretations of Christianity which sometimes conflict,[12][13] they are united in believing that Jesus has a unique significance.[12]
Cuz that sure doesnāt seem like the same dumb fucking shit you were spouting, and sure sounds a whole lot more like what I would think of as a definition before looking the fucking thing up.
I have no idea but itās not a ācommon sense definitionā or whatever bullshit you claimed. Looks like a Wikipedia entry to me.
All that to say that you have no counter so you moved onto the next bullshit straw man that you pulled out of your empty vessel. Iām done with your inanity.
So words mean nothing again according to you, now only the actions count. Someoneās arguing in circles.
Claiming to be a Christian has a lot to do with whether or not people consider you a Christian by the common understanding of the word.
āWe are what we pretend to be, so we must careful what we pretend to be.ā - Kurt Vonnegut
When did I ever claim that words meant anything in terms of whether someone was something?
It does not. Weāve already covered this. Are you mental? A claim to be something doesnāt make someone that thing. Do I need to keep repeating the āgolferā and āmusicianā examples? Iām not arguing in circles. You seem to be twisting yourself into knots, though.
Tell me you donāt understand the Vonnegut quote without telling me you donāt understand itā¦
Edit: Just as nonsensical - āClaiming to be a golfer has a lot to do with whether or not people consider you a golfer by the common understanding of the wordā. Oh really? I thought it was whether or not you play golf that determined if you were a golfer.
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Iāve lost track of the post, but at some point you were saying someone canāt be a Jew if they deny the Commandments or something similar. Now, by your logic maybe a ādenialā is some sort of action, but denials by common definition usually take the form of words, not actions.
Now, if actions are all that count for someone to be considered āa Christianā or ānot Christianā, only a complete knowledge of every action a person ever took or will take would suffice for qualifying them or disqualifying them as Christian. So then again, youād have to basically be God in order to determine which people were Christian. Rendering the definition pointless.
How do other people know whether or not you play golf?
You arenāt a thing only when youāre actively doing it.
Iām going to ignore the first half of this post because you completely missed the point of the Ten Commandments example. I suspect youāre just actually that dense and arenāt being intentionally obtuse or feigning confusion.
Of course not. But youāre definitely not a thing if you donāt do that thing at all.
Who the fuck was arguing that you are?
Againā¦read up like 2 posts back. Thatās the entire point here. Remember? If you donāt play music, you canāt call yourself a musician. If you donāt golf, you canāt claim to be a golfer. Are you really that dense? I genuinely canāt tell if youāre a troll at this point.