• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Who said anything about a temper tantrum? Could you please try and refrain from using ridiculous pro-capitulation strawmen?

    Calmly refusing to negotiate with fascists about one of their favorite “if we give an inch, we’re traitors” issues because you know nothing good will come from it isn’t having a temper tantrum. It’s being realistic.

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      11 months ago

      So you don’t think our politicians should ever be diplomatic or just when on the subject of immigration reform?

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        I don’t think politicians should grandstand for cheap points about good faith negotiations with domestic terrorists whose re-election depends on negotiating in bad faith or not negotiating at all.

        I wouldn’t brag about negotiating with cats about them going vegan either, and that would have a BETTER chance of bearing fruit.

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          11 months ago

          So regardless of the subject you want our government in gridlock and our politicians to not get anything done. Got it.

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            Nope. Please pack your ridiculous strawmen away. You’re sounding mighty Republican with your bad faith arguments.

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                  11 months ago

                  If politicians don’t negotiate across the aisle when majorities in Congress are slim then nothing will get done.

                  Did you or did you not imply that Fetterman shouldn’t negotiate?

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                    I said that nothing good could come from pretending to negotiate immigration with radically anti-immigrant fascists who aren’t even PRETENDING to negotiate in good faith.

                    Three things can result:

                    1. No changes

                    2. Changes for the worse and nothing else (by far the most likely)

                    3. Tiny changes for the better on one or two very specific things in exchange for massive systemic change for the worse.

                    You’re pretending that the GOP is a normal and legitimate political party rather than a fundamentally dishonest fascist movement.

                    Is your name Neville? Because you’re being very Chamberlain right now

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                  11 months ago

                  Because two comments back you literally said it was non negotiable. What the ever fuck do you want to happen?

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                    11 months ago

                    I didn’t say it was non-negotiable, I said that Republicans have no willingness to negotiate in good faith and as such, nothing good comes from pretending that they will.

                    Don’t misquote me to me. It confirms what I and anyone else reading already suspected: that you’re either being dishonest or having trouble understanding plain English.