Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) bashed former President Trump online and said Christians who support him ā€œdonā€™t understandā€ their religion.

ā€œIā€™m going to go out on a NOT limb here: this man is not a Christian,ā€ Kinzinger said on X, formerly known as Twitter, responding to Trumpā€™s Christmas post. ā€œIf you are a Christian who supports him you donā€™t understand your own religion.ā€

Kinzinger, one of Trumpā€™s fiercest critics in the GOP, said in his post that ā€œTrump is weak, meager, smelly, victim-ey, belly-achey, but he ainā€™t a Christian and heā€™s not ā€˜Godā€™s man.ā€™ā€

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    Jesus wasnā€™t socialist, he literally said to leave to Caesar that which is Caesarā€™s. He wanted to part of government, and instead pointed people to the government of heaven.

    His message was for individuals to choose to help the poor on their own, not to use the government to force everyone to help the poor. The message was always about the individual, not the group, and it wasnā€™t until the Acts that we start to talk about the ā€œchurchā€ and any kind of centralization. He said, ā€œfollow me,ā€ not ā€œorganize yourselves into communes.ā€

    So no, I absolutely do not think Jesus was a socialist, he was the polar opposite of Trump. He shared a message of tolerance, love, and personal improvement, whereas Trump shares a message of intolerance, hate, and blaming others for your problems.

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      You are mixing up socialism and communism. Fair enough, Jesus wasnā€™t a socialist, because he lived millennia before that particular political stance was coined, but the examples you give kind of actually support the argument that he would have been a socialist if he lived today/he espoused an early type of socialism. Paying taxes, helping the poor, individual responsibility; these are all things a modern day socialist would support. Organising into communes - not so much.
      Also, it seems you are suggesting Donald Trump is a socialist? If so youā€™ve completely misunderstood the meaning of any kind of socialism.

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        Jesus wouldā€™ve been closer to communist, which is a stateless society based on communal ownership. He asked how followers to eliminate personal possessions and follow him, presumably subsisting on the charity of others. Thatā€™s the spirit of communism.

        Socialism, on the other hand, is democratic ownership of the means of production. Jesus wanted no part in ownership of anything, much less socializing ownership of communal goods. He believed in following the law, but only so far as his legal and moral obligation went. He never discussed setting up poor houses, redistribution of wealth, or anything a socialist might push for, he instead urged his followers to follow his example in helping the poor.

        If we have to ascribe a political philosophy, heā€™s a libertarian who is morally opposed to personal ownership, but also opposed to forceful removal of ownership. Heā€™d rather live destitute than force others to share, because this life is ephemeral and true rewards are in heaven.

        Trump

        No, Trump is not a socialist, heā€™s a narcissist. He would support a socialist policy if it meant he could get recognition for it (see COVID checks, which he insisted bear his name).

        Jesus, on the other hand, told people to not tell others he healed them (Luke 5:12-14). Jesus didnā€™t want recognition, he just wanted to do good and set a good example. Thatā€™s the sense that Trump is the opposite of Jesus, not wrt policy, but the examples they each set.

        And yeah, Trump would be a socialist if he thought that would get him into power. He doesnā€™t really care about policy, he cares about fame and money, and money only because it buys fame. Jesus rejected both from Satan (Matthew 4:1-11, esp verses 8-10):

        Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

        And he said to Him, ā€œAll these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.ā€

        Then Jesus said to him, ā€œAway with you, Satan! For it is written, ā€˜You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.ā€™ ā€

        Trump worships himself, Jesus calls others to worship his father.