• MashedTech@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    It’s hard to reason with people who keep saying “we’re fucked because of who women voted. They shouldn’t be able to vote.”. If anyone has advice on how to convince them otherwise…

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      Don’t forget the strawmen that insist the majority of feminists want a heirarchy reversal in society. (And also regularly insinuate or outright say that feminism leads to white men being ‘cucked’ universally by black men. Really, it all sounds like fetish projection when you look into it enough.)

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        or outright say that feminism leads to white men being ‘cucked’ universally by black men.

        The real psychosocial roots of fascism.

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        See also the argument that most anti-LGBTQ+ people are in fact, deeply “in the closet”, usually because of religious brainwashing reasons.

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      16 days ago

      It could be argued that this is why progress is measured in lifetimes. The old must submit to entropy before the new can take their place.

      If you’re genuinely trying to convince someone in particular, try asking “how?” That should starting breaking the ignorance into smaller chunks that you can repair with truthful knowledge. You might have to go a few layers of “how?” deep to start patching the holes in their understanding in order to build a solid foundation for the rest of what you and I take as obvious.

      Edit: At the risk of “stating the obvious” I’ll point out that the term “woke” is intended as a derogatory reference to those who have “woken up”. Meaning, we learned something that suddenly made everything else make sense. Some missing piece of the puzzle was, at some point, unveiled to us, and we became aware of (at least part of) the bigger picture.

      Go wake some people up. 💛

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          Yeah, there’s been a massive slide backward in young men in particular.

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            Social media algorithms favouring rich, wealthy men’s views (polarisation) can be blamed, alongside the backsliding of socioeconomic equality, and the rising gerontocracy. When you feel hopeless in your perspective, and all you see is how to blame others, you’re inclined to do so. It’s a classic “divide and rule” tactic employed by the wealthy.

            I try to make them aware of that socioeconomic inequality and to battle for their wellbeing through protest, through supporting equality. After all: another person’s equality helps their own too.