I will definitely vote for Biden, but his disgusting simping for Israel makes me a lot less inclined to donate money to his campaign. I might end up only donating to anti-Trump PACs instead.
I appreciate your position, and I am not questioning your choice of which candidate to support. But understanding that as of right now there are literally only two viable choices shaping up for president in 2024, I have to ask which is more tolerable: Biden maintaining US status quo support of Israel throughout his term, or Trump going out of his way to recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel in 2017 in spite of the fact that Tel Aviv had been the de facto capitol since 1949?
I am NOT advocating for any side in the current conflict, only pointing out that whatever Biden’s crimes, Trump literally went out of his way to destabilize the entire Jerusalem situation in 2017 out of the blue, and for no better reason than that he could, quite possibly even at Netanyahu’s specific request (I have no proof, but look at cui bono here). So Trump upset that whole fragile diplomatic arrangement even against UN and worldwide condemnation, causing Hamas to respond by calling for a new intifada over the insult.
And then, just to make sure he got that point across good and well to ALL sides, Trump set the opening date for the new US embassy in Jerusalem on May 14, 2018, to coincide with the 70th anniversary of the Israeli Declaration of Independence. Of course there were more protests, and more violence, and the IDF alone killed 58 Palestinians with tear gas and sniper fire that day, according to the above Wikipedia link.
So looking at the current conflict, and speaking solely for myself, to me it is entirely possible that even with the present bloodshed, there are more Palestinian bodies lying murdered at the feet of Trump than at the feet of Biden. Nothing to be proud of, for sure. Just something to note in any comparison between them.
As bad as the situation is now, it will get inestimably worse under Trump . . . and Trump’s already proven he’s Netanyahu’s bitch, because you’ll never convince me Bibi wasn’t behind that particular stunt, right down to having the new US embassy in Jerusalem open on the precise day Israel celebrated 70 years of independence.
No, I wrote it in response to your comment not because I didn’t read it and see you’re voting for Biden, or because I disagree with you in any way, but because to me the gulf between them seems SO wide on the subject of Israel that it seems disingenuous to even compare them in the same terms, as though they’re both just regular candidates and Trump isn’t actually intent on completely blowing up the Middle East.
if you’re voting for someone and not fighting with them after they win you’re only doing half a democracy. people talk about “the lesser of two evils” but there’s no realistic situation in which you agree with the person you’re voting for on all things, so there is no strategy that doesn’t include the “lesser evil”. The fact is that Biden sucks shit. The other fact is that Trump is much worse on all things, including whatever you happen to be pissed of at Biden about. So the choice seems to be “do I spite the guy who pissed me off but actually make the situation worse, or do I do what’s in my power to make the situation better, vote for the guy who pissed me off as a stopgap and then do everything I can to bully him into actually doing the right thing?”
I will definitely vote for Biden, but his disgusting simping for Israel makes me a lot less inclined to donate money to his campaign. I might end up only donating to anti-Trump PACs instead.
I appreciate your position, and I am not questioning your choice of which candidate to support. But understanding that as of right now there are literally only two viable choices shaping up for president in 2024, I have to ask which is more tolerable: Biden maintaining US status quo support of Israel throughout his term, or Trump going out of his way to recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel in 2017 in spite of the fact that Tel Aviv had been the de facto capitol since 1949?
I am NOT advocating for any side in the current conflict, only pointing out that whatever Biden’s crimes, Trump literally went out of his way to destabilize the entire Jerusalem situation in 2017 out of the blue, and for no better reason than that he could, quite possibly even at Netanyahu’s specific request (I have no proof, but look at cui bono here). So Trump upset that whole fragile diplomatic arrangement even against UN and worldwide condemnation, causing Hamas to respond by calling for a new intifada over the insult.
And then, just to make sure he got that point across good and well to ALL sides, Trump set the opening date for the new US embassy in Jerusalem on May 14, 2018, to coincide with the 70th anniversary of the Israeli Declaration of Independence. Of course there were more protests, and more violence, and the IDF alone killed 58 Palestinians with tear gas and sniper fire that day, according to the above Wikipedia link.
So looking at the current conflict, and speaking solely for myself, to me it is entirely possible that even with the present bloodshed, there are more Palestinian bodies lying murdered at the feet of Trump than at the feet of Biden. Nothing to be proud of, for sure. Just something to note in any comparison between them.
As bad as the situation is now, it will get inestimably worse under Trump . . . and Trump’s already proven he’s Netanyahu’s bitch, because you’ll never convince me Bibi wasn’t behind that particular stunt, right down to having the new US embassy in Jerusalem open on the precise day Israel celebrated 70 years of independence.
Your message seems to be addressed to someone who isn’t voting for Biden.
No, I wrote it in response to your comment not because I didn’t read it and see you’re voting for Biden, or because I disagree with you in any way, but because to me the gulf between them seems SO wide on the subject of Israel that it seems disingenuous to even compare them in the same terms, as though they’re both just regular candidates and Trump isn’t actually intent on completely blowing up the Middle East.
if you’re voting for someone and not fighting with them after they win you’re only doing half a democracy. people talk about “the lesser of two evils” but there’s no realistic situation in which you agree with the person you’re voting for on all things, so there is no strategy that doesn’t include the “lesser evil”. The fact is that Biden sucks shit. The other fact is that Trump is much worse on all things, including whatever you happen to be pissed of at Biden about. So the choice seems to be “do I spite the guy who pissed me off but actually make the situation worse, or do I do what’s in my power to make the situation better, vote for the guy who pissed me off as a stopgap and then do everything I can to bully him into actually doing the right thing?”