Sony is erasing over 550 movies from PlayStation libraries without offering a single refund. If clicking "Buy" only grants access until a corporate licensing deal expires, the service is fundamentally broken.
You can still download the client side files for those games after de-listing.
And it’s not Valve that chose to pull down those games. It would be quite the power play for Valve to be able to tell other companies their games are no longer able to be sold.
Sony is deleting purchased movies from people’s libraries. It’s the same as when Ubisoft deleted the Crew from people’s libraries, so they are no longer even able to download the client files after delisting.
If you know there’s a difference then why are you saying customers who bought those games no longer have access to the files? You should know that’s not true if you know how delisting works on Steam.
I don’t know if it’s Sony’s choice or not but I know your statement about how it was Valve who chose to delist those games was incorrect.
So you’re conflating delisted Steam games with items being permanently removed from libraries on purpose?
I’m not conflating anything, you are. I was discussing games permanently removed. If Concord is still accessible then I stand corrected on that account. What about the other games I listed?
I don’t know if it’s Sony’s choice or not
Sony does not control the licenses for these media. They have no choice to make.
I know your statement about how it was Valve who chose to delist those games was incorrect.
Pointing out that Sony (apparently) making Concord unable to be downloaded again is not at all like how Valve lets delisted games usually still be downloaded by people who owned those games is the opposite of conflation. Conflation is when you say Valve is just like Sony when it comes to delisted games in that they both don’t let you download the game files again even though that’s false for one of those companies.
Do you not realize what you said with these lines?
Everyone lost access to their files when Valve allowed Sony to pull Concord from Steam.
Or when Valve pulled Total War Arena, The Day Before, The Culling 2, etc.
Did you think you named the actual publishers for those games this whole time and didn’t realize you put it all at the feet of Valve? Did you not remember that you said Valve has the power to allow a publisher to delist their games or not?
Do you own concord on steam? Check again you can probably download the client anyway. I don’t have it, but I remember for a brief time people were playing with community servers after it got taken down.
As far as my account goes, even when publishers remove games, I still have access to my files.
This is crucial for community led projects that revive game servers, like The Crew, Hawken or Blacklight Retribution.
Sony is remotely deleting stuff (or more accurately, threatening to do so)
Just to clarify: I still prefer buying on GOG but the catalog there is slimmer. Steam so far has been more aligned with their users’ rights.
The fact that a company loses a license to something in a game disallows them to keep selling them, not stealing them back from their customers.
Your personal experience here is not relevant. Everyone lost access to their files when Valve allowed Sony to pull Concord from Steam.
Or when Valve pulled Total War Arena, The Day Before, The Culling 2, etc.
Sony is not deleting anything. They’re just revoking your access to it.
You can still download the client side files for those games after de-listing.
And it’s not Valve that chose to pull down those games. It would be quite the power play for Valve to be able to tell other companies their games are no longer able to be sold.
Sony is deleting purchased movies from people’s libraries. It’s the same as when Ubisoft deleted the Crew from people’s libraries, so they are no longer even able to download the client files after delisting.
Delisting and deleting are not the same thing.
We are not discussing delisting. We’re discussing games that were removed completely.
And it’s not Sony that chose to pull down these movies.
That’s exactly right.
If you know there’s a difference then why are you saying customers who bought those games no longer have access to the files? You should know that’s not true if you know how delisting works on Steam.
I don’t know if it’s Sony’s choice or not but I know your statement about how it was Valve who chose to delist those games was incorrect.
I’m not conflating anything, you are. I was discussing games permanently removed. If Concord is still accessible then I stand corrected on that account. What about the other games I listed?
Sony does not control the licenses for these media. They have no choice to make.
It would be, had I made that statement.
Pointing out that Sony (apparently) making Concord unable to be downloaded again is not at all like how Valve lets delisted games usually still be downloaded by people who owned those games is the opposite of conflation. Conflation is when you say Valve is just like Sony when it comes to delisted games in that they both don’t let you download the game files again even though that’s false for one of those companies.
Do you not realize what you said with these lines?
Did you think you named the actual publishers for those games this whole time and didn’t realize you put it all at the feet of Valve? Did you not remember that you said Valve has the power to allow a publisher to delist their games or not?
If you’re going to repeatedly attribute statements to me that I’ve never made in bad faith then I see no reason to continue this conversation.
Do you own concord on steam? Check again you can probably download the client anyway. I don’t have it, but I remember for a brief time people were playing with community servers after it got taken down.