Dana Bash on CNN calling the BS out

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    14 hours ago

    When you actually look in to the details of papers on this topic you’ll find that it’s actually not defined consistently across the literature.

    This is such anti-science crap, and it’s exactly what various industries said all along about climate change and lung cancer studies.

    When you dig into the reason why any specific “ultra processed” food is bad it boils down to:

    No, no when you dig into the reason why ultra processed food is bad, it boils down to all-cause mortality. As in earlier death and shorter healthy lifespan.

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      4 hours ago

      You have it backwards, sweaty. The garbage you’re spewing is anti-science crap.

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      13 hours ago

      Here is a good, scientifically informed overview of one popular ultra processed food categorization system and why it excludes good foods and includes poor ones: https://www.eatrightpro.org/news-center/practice-trends/examining-the-nova-food-classification-system-and-healthfulness-of-ultra-processed-foods

      The same kind of thing applies to the other popular systems for defining it. It’s just not a good scientific category, we already know about all the components it’s a mediocre shorthand for.

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        5 hours ago

        They concede that the actual scientists found that

        ultra-processed foods are associated with increased incidences of chronic diseases such as obesity, heart disease and Type 2 diabetes

        And dismissed it all because there’s not a randomised controlled trail for ultra processed vs home cooked from ingredients foods, but their counterpoint to that, their main gotcha from that article, is it a randomised controlled trial? Does it measure obesity, heart disease and type 2 diabetes? No! Let’s see what it tests:

        To answer this question, researchers in an USDA-funded study published in The Journal of Nutrition planned a seven-day, 2,000-calorie daily diet that was based on the recommendations in the Dietary Guidelines but with more than 80% of the foods coming from Nova’s ultra-processed food category. The results showed that this planned diet achieved a Healthy Eating Index (HEI) score of 86 out of 100 points. The HEI measures the diet quality and evaluates to what extent Americans are following the Dietary Guidelines. For reference, the current HEI for Americans is 59 on average, meaning many Americans are consuming a diet below what is considered desirable.

        So if you use one set of guidelines to make a diet plan (no one actually eats it) and you deliberately pick foods that are processed but reasonably healthy according to those very same guidelines, you achieve a great score on what basis? Long term health outcomes? No. Short term health outcomes? No. What basis? Oh, the very same guidelines you used to cherry pick the foods? Why isn’t it 100%?! What an absurdly vacuous claim.

        In their enlightenment and dismissing all the science, they’ve replaced it by calculating some points of disagreement with some older healthy eating advice? That’s IT!?!

        You have swallowed a bunch of pseudoscience. You’re as bad as RFK.

        It’s a fucking industry funded pseudoscience pseudoprogessional pseudoeducation body. Did you even think about where they’re coming from?

        https://www.eatrightpro.org/about-us/who-we-are/advertising-and-sponsorship/meet-our-sponsors

        Some highlights for you:

        Danone North America
        Eli Lilly and Company (weight loss drugs)
        Gatorade Sports Science Institute
        National Confectioners Association
        National Dairy Council
        National Honey Board
        National Cattlemen’s Beef Association
        Nestle Health Sciences
        Quebec Maple Syrup Producers
        Sodexo
        Splenda®
        Wonderful Pistachios

        No wonder they’re dismissing all the science associating ultra processed food with all-causes mortality with a single diet plan!

        Why on earth do you fall for this crap?