• Rozaŭtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    If you think that the problems (inequalities) racism brought ceased to exist with segregation, try learning about red-lining and how countless black neighborhoods got unfairly bulldozed to make space for highways. All that stuff happened only a lifetime ago, of course its effects can still be felt today.

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    You could also use the same reasoning to argue that colonialism hasn’t really ended either, when the colonialists went home they still left behind the scars of centuries of exploitation, that shit doesn’t get washed away in a day.

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    Also, it’s easier to completely demolish the building. Accommodations can be made much easier, but no one does it because it’s too much work, the disabled people of the metaphor are figuring out ways around it.

    Also the anti-disabled people knickknacks are still displayed EVERYWHERE desolate

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      I live in hungary and when i went to san francisco one of the things i noticed that every shop, bus, street, etc was built in a way that it would be easy to use by disabled people. So regulations can help and people should support politicians eho actually want to change things(even when it turns out to be a little stupid like the cancer warnings on basically everything). Also californians are so warm and welcoming compared to hungarians.

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        to continue this incredibly labored metaphor, yeah things are kinda nice for everyone when there are accommodations for disabled, or mobility compromised people. There’s a term for when accommodations for one group, like sidewalk curb cut-outs, actually have a multiplicative benefit for everyone, even outside of the principle group. Curb cut-outs on sidewalks make it easier for wheelchair users, and the blind, but also they benefit strollers, old people, and delivery people getting up the curb.

        so making the house nice for disable people actually makes it nice for everyone.

        to drop the metaphor, yeah getting rid of systemic racism is actually nice for everyone

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        And these ADA accommodations were hard-fought for by disability activists, many of them disabled themselves because nobody else cared! The same thing is happening with any kind of prejudice or injustice against any marginalized group. We need to stop with the “fuck you, I got mine” mentality if we hope to advance as a compassionate species. But the older I get, the more I feel the tribalism is too hard-coded into humans and is too easily exploited by greedy/fascist interests. Solidarity is the only way…if we could just get over ourselves for one second.

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      Not to mention that the hotel does what it can to keep existing through anti disabled propaganda and incentives for the workers to be anti disabled

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    My mother worked for a real estate firm in the late 90s in bay ridge, Brooklyn where she was told to tell anyone calling in who sounded black or had a “black sounding name” that nothing was available or to quote ridiculous prices.

    This shit ain’t gone away at all.

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    But on top of that, the previous owner raised the new one. On top of the hotel issue we now have the same issues, but with the new owner

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    The analogy is a little shaky but yeah that’s a pretty good intro. The hard issue to solve here is with how this injustice is resolved. I think the most reasonable solution attacks the problem directly: rewriting racist laws (like zoning) and punishing or heavily disincentivising racist behavior in government officials (including police and judges). In the analogy, this would be equivalent to enacting hotel policies against discrimination and retrofitting disabled-accessible options into the building.

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      That still isn’t directly Attacking the problem, you remove racist laws however you still have a system in place to add oppressive laws so they will come back. The problem isn’t the laws or the government officials it’s the whole damn system and unless you change the system it will continue to oppress. The hotel is designed to be discriminatory and to slowly go back to being discriminatory (as you said shaky anlogy) if changes are to be made. The only real solution is tearing the whole hotel down and building a park there

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    What view are they trying to counter here? I understand all the words of the post and I agree with the logic but I don’t see in what situation this argument is useful. Perhaps I’m lucky not to have been exposed to the people for whom it would be useful…

    Edit: I saw some very clear answers to my questions after scrolling down a bit. I think I just didn’t understand what the term “systemic” meant here.

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      “wow you are trying to punish x people for wrongdoings of their parents/grandparents” is the argument it’s trying to counter.

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    It’s different with racism, because it’s easier and cheaper to stop racist practices than it is to modify a building. And modifying a building isn’t hard or all that expensive.

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    “This is the way it’s normally/always been done” is an extension of that shit, usually done to excuse things that should not be excused and can and should change.

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      By law, yes, because you people wouldn’t never account for any kind of minority unless if forced.

      Y’all wouldn’t return the cart unless to recover the coin. There’s people beating up rough sleepers. People are intrinsically selfish

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          Tragedy of the commons. Just try using any free toilet at a highway rest. Last time for me I could not have used the urinal without standing in a puddle of dark yellow piss. People are assholes. Not all, but most. At least if nobody is looking and they can get away with it.

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      The only reasonable reason why not, would be that it would be impossible to do so. If you are physically able to add those accomodations and not doing it then well you are a bigot that makes people’s lives more difficult on purpose.