• Jordan Lund@lemmy.one
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 year ago

    Movies can absolutely be objectively rated good or bad, all the component pieces can be good or bad, writing, acting, directing, pacing, hell, even lighting, editing and special effects.

    The problem is your average movie goer can’t tell the difference. Sure, if something is ESPECIALLY bad like the visual effects in the Flash, they’ll pick up on that.

    Quite more often something can be entirely awful and the reaction is “Well, I had fun…” That doesn’t make it “good”.

    • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      You can have a good movie with poor elements and a poor movie with great elements. I’d even argue you can have a good movie with bad acting. Plus, it’s all about the intent of the movie, as with any piece of art. Cocaine Bear had an intent. It fulfilled that intent. Claiming that art can objectively be rated is naive.

      • Jordan Lund@lemmy.one
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Plan 9 From Outer Space is a terrible movie.

        Ed Wood is amazing.

        I’m sure you can tell the difference.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I don’t know what you expect to accomplish with this. If you want to make an argument by example, be prepared to make it exhaustive, otherwise it’s simply anecdotal. Anecdotes does not an argument make.

          My point is that this is a very subjective realm. You can know all you want about technique and still make a bad movie. And someone who knows nothing can still make a good movie. The odds don’t work in their favor, sure, but it’s possible. Technique just helps, but it’s neither a requirement nor a guarantee. And part of determining whether a film is done well is knowing the film’s purpose and theme. Cult classics exist for a reason. They aren’t “bad.” They’re just not popular with folks who didn’t get it. You will always be colored by your biases. You can not like a film but that doesn’t mean it was unnecessary. You aren’t an authority as much as you want to pretend to the throne.

          • Jordan Lund@lemmy.one
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            It’s not at all subjective and, again, if you doubt that, sit down and watch Plan 9 and Ed Wood back to back.

            One is generally accepted to be the worst film ever made, the other won two Academy Awards.

            If you legit can’t tell why which film falls into which category, you’re precisely the problem I outlined in A)

            • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              I feel like you just like hearing yourself talk because you clearly ignored almost everything I said. If you’re going to act like a brick wall, there’s no point in discussion until you even come close to remotely acknowledging any of my points let alone refuting them. I get you took a film class. It doesn’t make you an auteur.