President Biden told a Democratic lawmaker and members of his Cabinet after the State of the Union address that he told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that they will need to have a ā€œcome-to-Jesus meeting.ā€

Bidenā€™s comments, captured on a hot mic as he spoke with Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) on the floor of the House chamber, came after Bennet congratulated the commander in chief on his speech and pressed him to keep pressure on Netanyahu over increasing humanitarian issues in Gaza.

  • āœŗroguetrickāœŗ@lemmy.worldOP
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    Biden doesnā€™t want to stop it, he wants to reduce the noise. And to achieve that his best option is to use indirect and direct support to knock Bibi out of control of the knesset. Itā€™s something that shouldā€™ve been done since the inauguration. The idea that he was going to somehow get the support of Bibi in any capacity was idiotic.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/the-biden-plan-to-ditch-israels-netanyahu.html

    Edit: Iā€™m genuinely curious what makes this so controversial of a take. That Iā€™m arguing for realpolitik interventionism or that Iā€™m criticizing biden?

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      You are attributing active malice, like Biden wants this shit to go on.

      There is a big difference between not wanting to pressure somone to stop something vs WANTING that something to go on.

      Iā€™m sick of people acting like itā€™s somehow OUR responsibility to stop Israel.

      WTF is Biden getting shit for some other asshole leader doing shitty things?

      How about blaming Benjamin Netanyahu? Or blaming the assholes that voted for Netanyahu?

      This whole Israel thing just smells like some Republican bullshit trying to blame Democrats for something ridiculous.

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        We continue to supply arms and rush to do so. That Bibiā€™s cabinet is full of genocidal maniacs(and that his coalition is specifically BUILT on those genocidal maniacs so itā€™s resistant to soft attempts to lower the temperature because that would result in the fall of Bibiā€™s government and his imprisonment for corruption) was known before the conflict even started. I donā€™t really know how you think people will interpret this. If you think Bidenā€™s administration is unfairly tarred by their actions, maybe they shouldnā€™t have done it. Ignorance is a fig leaf.

        And even this is a response to a domestic issue. Thatā€™s why I say Biden wants to reduce the noise. Heā€™s certainly showed no interest in actually using leverage to halt the conflict.

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          Whether you like it or not Israel is considered an US ally and they are a democracy. Sometimes allies drag you into shit, because politics on a global scale is complicated.

          Look at Afghanistan and Iraq and how many of our allies we dragged into shit. You canā€™t just say ā€œno fuck offā€, because that means youā€™re not really a reliable ally.

          World politics is complicated, but like I said blaming Biden or wanting him to be some big dig swinger is just kids talk that donā€™t understand fuck all about politics.

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            Horseshit. Biden is NOW doing exactly what I said. Being hostile to Likud and leveraging the USā€™s position to freeze him out. The idea that we were somehow constrained by them being US allies before but arenā€™t constrained now is silly. Itā€™s purely because he was too afraid of pissing off domestic Israel supporters and that fear led to the exact situation weā€™re in now. These are decisions made, not the ineffable ebb and flow of international relations. And they were the wrong decisions.