They’re referring to the fact that the war actually started in 2014. 2022 was only a military operation and it has only last year been finally referred to as a war by russia. So yeah, russia’s been struggling in Ukraine for quite a while. They thought they could pull another Georgia 2008, I guess. Can’t blame them for trying now, can we? It’s only their historical territory and nazi territory that they’re trying to take so it’s ok.
Ignore Ukraine fighting Russians who invaded their country? I thought that was the point?
Are you trying to stand by the bald faced lie that ‘its just locals who disagree’ over booting out the extremely corrupt Yanukovych? Just locals with Russian military tech shooting down MH17.
I’m sure the oil and gas discoveries prior to the 2014 invasion had nothing to do with it.
What really blows my mind is the tankies ignoring Ukraine trying to nationalize the energy sector ahead of Russia’s invasion.
These borders are arbitrary lines drawn by Soviet bureucrats. It did not matter as long as both countries were in the Soviet Union. This is not a war between two countries. This is a war over how the Soviet Union should break up.
Maybe, if you consider the ethnic cleansing the soviet’s did. Like getting rid of all the tartars in Crimea. When you send an entire population to the gulag to die, maybe their historic borders don’t matter so much anymore. Is that what you are referring to?
It would have been more convincing had Ukraine not spent 2014-2022 pounding cities in the eastern Donbass.
I don’t understand. Would you please expand on this?
They’re referring to the fact that the war actually started in 2014. 2022 was only a military operation and it has only last year been finally referred to as a war by russia. So yeah, russia’s been struggling in Ukraine for quite a while. They thought they could pull another Georgia 2008, I guess. Can’t blame them for trying now, can we? It’s only their historical territory and nazi territory that they’re trying to take so it’s ok.
The fact OP and all the liberals in this thread ignore on purpose.
Ignore Ukraine fighting Russians who invaded their country? I thought that was the point?
Are you trying to stand by the bald faced lie that ‘its just locals who disagree’ over booting out the extremely corrupt Yanukovych? Just locals with Russian military tech shooting down MH17.
I’m sure the oil and gas discoveries prior to the 2014 invasion had nothing to do with it.
What really blows my mind is the tankies ignoring Ukraine trying to nationalize the energy sector ahead of Russia’s invasion.
These borders are arbitrary lines drawn by Soviet bureucrats. It did not matter as long as both countries were in the Soviet Union. This is not a war between two countries. This is a war over how the Soviet Union should break up.
Maybe, if you consider the ethnic cleansing the soviet’s did. Like getting rid of all the tartars in Crimea. When you send an entire population to the gulag to die, maybe their historic borders don’t matter so much anymore. Is that what you are referring to?
There is nothing Ukrainian about Crimea. It’s Tatar country. After the Soviets murdered the Tatars, Ukrainians took over.
There is nothing Russian about Crimea. It’s former Tatar country. After the Soviets murdered the Tatars, Ukrainians took over.
Did I claim that Crimea was Russian? Ukraine has no legitimate claim to Crimea, neither doea Russia.
The fact the nazis were shelling civilians in the Donbas.
Yeah they overthrew the democratically elected leader, so it’s not a democracy.
It’s not as simple as Russia bad guy invaded good guy for no reason.
The democratically elected puppet of Russian oil oligarchs. He had loaves of gold hidden in his mansion.
Don’t try to strawman me with the bad guy no reason BS. I stated before and I will say it again. It’s oil and gas. That’s the reason.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/world/europe/in-taking-crimea-putin-gains-a-sea-of-fuel-reserves.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo6w5R6Uo8Y&t=0
Russia invaded in 2014 because they didn’t want their oil and gas market to be undermined by Ukraine.
The democratically elected leader by the Ukrainian people. You have any evidence of election fraud or are your little feeling just hurt?
False. Russia invaded for national security interests. We would do the same if a foreign nation was training and arming Nazis on our border.