It has long been the case that American women are generally more liberal than American men. But among young Americans, this gender gap has widened into an enormous rift: According to recent Gallup polling, there is aĀ 30-point differencebetween the number of women age 18ā€“30 who self-identify as liberal and the number of men in that demographic who do the same.

Thatā€™s largely because young women have gottenĀ muchĀ more liberal, while young men have stayed ideologically more consistentā€”or, according to other analyses, become more conservativeĀ and anti-feminist. (Of course, not every person identifies as a man or woman. But gender roles still play a big part in shaping our lives and politics, and in the context of this column, I am focusing mostly on the vastĀ majority of AmericansĀ who identify as one or the other.) Itā€™s not happening just here either; the political divide between the sexes is a trend thatĀ researchers are observingĀ in some other countries too.

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    And absolutely no recognition of the problem with the statement that most college students are women.

    There are parity issues on both sides of the gender divide. Both can be recognized. Itā€™s not a zero-sum game.

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      Women have for decades now outnumbered men on college campuses

      This isnā€™t a problematic statement, itā€™s a statement of fact. Thereā€™s no value judgment or morality associated with this statement in this article

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        factual, yes - but I think the point being made here is that a larger percentage of males are not being exposed to the benefits of a more expansive early adult educational experience leading to a social and cultural disconnect.

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        Without explanation, it can be offensive. There is no value judgment in the sentence ā€œblack people make up the vast majority of the US prison populationā€ either.

        If you donā€™t explain why, one conclusion someone might have is women are ā€œjust smarterā€, and black people are ā€œjust more criminally inclinedā€.

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      Itā€™s not a zero-sum game.

      This is the big point that is missed by common discourse. The problem is that men have gender-specific issues too, and those are not even being acknowledged as even being valid. Domestic abuse against men doesnā€™t exist. The fact that homelessness or suicides affect men disproportionately, or that the alienation of people from each other affect men in different ways than women, is a taboo topic, because people feel it takes away from the focus on womenā€™s rights, or worse, that men ā€œdeserveā€ this as some kind of ā€œreparationsā€ in kind for suffering.

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        These are absolutely not taboo topics. Iā€™ve read a ton of media about these things. From where do you derive that theyā€™re ā€œtaboo?ā€

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          Look at the article being shared. It addresses the topic of men and women drifting off to different sides of the political spectrum, and all it addresses is why women tend to the left. It conveniently leaves out why men tend to the right. It even insinuates that itā€™s because men are actually alright with supporting abusers, rapists and paedophiles while women are not. Same thing it does to the Depp-Heard case, they were both abusers, but it only mentions Depp as being one.

          Iā€™m not saying that people in general never talk about menā€™s issues. Iā€™m saying that the ā€œliberal leftā€ does not have anything for men on its agenda, and is surprised that men are being left behind by its messaging.

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            This is an article about women becoming much more liberal, men staying ideologically the same and the implications of that. That you would think an article about women becoming more liberal needs to focus more on menā€™s issues is itself a reflection of patriarchal thinking, whether or not thatā€™s your intention. There are plenty of articles covering menā€™s issues, like tons of articles. Why do you think men are entitled to more coverage in this article?

            So when you talk about the ā€œliberal left,ā€ what issues do you think they need to talk about more?

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              Why do you think men are entitled to more coverage in this article?

              But men are covered in this article! It outlines a ton of problems affecting men, it just either does not follow up on the causes and solutions - because who cares, right? - or outright paints it as a political opportunity for women that disaffected men are less likely voters, or even blames men as a whole for the issue.

              young men have stayed ideologically more consistentā€”or, according to other analyses, become more conservative and anti-feminist.

              A cohort of profoundly misogynistic male influencers, one of whom is currently facing criminal charges in Romania for rape and human trafficking, rose to prominence and captured the attention of young men the world over.

              Marriage is declining in the U.S. in part, at least anecdotally, because women, who can now ably provide for themselves, are refusing to pair up with misogynistic men who bring little to the table. This dynamic could leave a lot more single men out thereā€”members of a cohort who are more likely than their female counterparts to be unemployed, financially vulnerable, isolated, and lonely, which in turn can fuel anger and even violence. As young women grow more liberal and young men move right, heterosexual marriage may very well continue to decline, perhaps snowballing political, social, and economic divides.

              work to bridge the divide (which, to be clear, would mean pressing men to be better and creating the conditions for both sexes to thrive)

              Yeah, good job, the only way to fix this stupid gender war is ā€œto press men to be betterā€ and pick themselves up by their bootstraps or something.

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                How do women bridge the divide with men who follow misogynist influencers? How is that even possible? With men who are antifeminist and want to take away our rights?

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                  How do women bridge the divide with men

                  Itā€™s not on ā€œwomenā€. Itā€™s on all society. Stuff like this does not work like either one or the other. We are one society, men and women. We are the same in more things that matter when forming a society than we are different in.

                  One could start literally for free by creating successful, positive male role models in media and public discourse alongside women. I donā€™t mean the two dimensional cutouts like Marvel heroes, but people with real problems tackling real issues. If it has to be Marvel, you can start at Deadpool. Dude was ugly as fuck and still loved.

                  Celebrate Menā€™s Day and Fatherā€™s Day as well as Womenā€™s Day and Motherā€™s Day. Create acceptance and celebrate fatherhood and single fathers, fathers as homemakers as well as fathers as breadwinners. Celebrate successful (not wealthy, but societally positive) men as great examples of what a man should and can be.

                  There are other things that would be more expensive, like unfucking schooling. Other than reversing the underfundedness of it, make teachers be a prestigious profession again, and have more male teachers for male students to look up to. Get a bit more into why current school practices like homework, rote learning and ā€œfrontalā€, unidirectional lessons disadvantage boys in school. Address the conflict between the societal expectation for boys to be dominant as boys and submissive as students better. Unfuck sports as a subject, take the sole focus away from whatever flavour of profitable ā€œsportsballā€ your country plays and offer more choice.

                  You can then go on to work. Tighten up labour safety and wellbeing practices, especially in hard physical labour disproportionately affecting men. Fight overtime as a concept in general, enforce breaks and frequent examinations of both workersā€™ health and safety regulations. Fight back against ā€œmachoā€ culture not by ā€œtelling men not to rapeā€, but by strengthening mental healthcare, and supporting hobby groups as third places where men can create friend groups to share feelings with. If broke communist countries could support hobby associations like glider airfields, shooting clubs, hiking clubs and so on, with substantial financial and material grants, why canā€™t the most wealthy societies in history?

                  Make sure that every third man compared to the life expectancy of women does not die by reaching the age of 60 from the mental and physical hardship of work.

                  Then there are the hard parts. Like undoing the creation of barriers between people where you are not supposed to interact with other people next to you. Undoing loneliness and the ā€œTinderizationā€ of relationships, and social media and all the fucked up stuff. Stop having society treat all men as potential predators.

                  This is just shit off the top of my head, and Iā€™m not even an expert.