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I want to vote more, but when I try to vote more than once the poll workers get upset and tell me to leave.
I’m voting as hard as I can
you need to be a republican governor’s son. if you are, you can vote illegally as many times as you like and no one cares.
You should try being a republican.
The less you brain, the more you back Trump.
I am really not following all the vitriol in the comments, are people not only ignoring the article to react to the headline but then also mis-reading the headline?
It’s not saying anyone ought to vote a certain way, it’s just pointing out that low-propensity voters tend to support Trump.
I suspect this is due to the recent polarization around education. Highly educated people tend to vote more, and over the last decade they have tended to vote more and more for Democrats. And vice versa for low-formal-education folks.
Yeah, when I read the headline I figured it was saying that if you don’t vote, that means you’re actively supporting trump. But after reading the article, it’s definitely not saying that as far as I can tell.
I chalk it up to the headline being worded weirdly, and just the fact that people have been saying things sorta like that.
Well, this is a fun discussion!
…Anyways, I like to think that the title implies you’re supposed to vote more than once lol
It also implies that not voting for Trump somehow counts more than voting for Trump does
The article is actually about how people that have voted more consistently will vote for Biden and people that vote more inconsistently will vote for Trump.
Very different from how I interpreted the headline.
Ok then! One vote for Trump is better than multiple not-votes for no one, so I’ll vote for Trump!
/s
This has been a recipe for a democratic win for a for decades. High turnouts favor democrats.
Yup, which is why the Republicans try to make it as difficult as possible to vote, especially for minorities. Don’t forget Trump said if minorities vote, Republicans will never win another election.
Also, why they focus on voter suppression and divisive propaganda every election to get the lefties all riled up about whatever makes them stay home. I wonder which issue it is right now!?
The entire premise of the article is the exact opposite - that Trump did better when turnout was high.
A new poll suggests it’s Republicans who should be rooting for higher turnout.
In other words, more elections years you voted in since 2018 makes it more likely you voted for Biden.
This makes sense because Trump pushed turnout for the Dems with his deeply unpopular presidency. And this same dynamic can sink Biden in 2024 if he continues to be more unpopular than Trump.
What if your a lifelong red voter and you vote less?
Like I get where your coming from, but it’s only because your audience are the sane ones.
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I’m not sure why you think liberals are the solution. They’re just as much a part of the problem and not in a “liberals have slowly shifted to the right” way.
Keep in mind, Eugenics received pretty heavy support from liberals. Liberals are just as responsible for the corporate hellscape we’re currently entering, they’re just the parent in the abusive household that comes in and makes sure you don’t make problems for the other one that just got done beating you.
Idk what the solution is, but something makes me doubt it’s liberals teaming up.
Clearly we’re not talking about the same “liberals” if you think the liberals I’m referring to would support Eugenics.
I deleted my post btw since I read the article and realized my comment had nothing to do when it.
The various trolls infesting lemmy love to play on the nearly opposite meaning of “liberal” in the global political sense vs the US political sense.
In other countries, they use “liberal” or “liberalism” to refer to a right wing ideology. In the US, “liberal” means a left wing ideology, like social democracy.
I’m not a troll. Liberals haven’t saved us, I’m not sure why you would think a Liberal is going to. I’m voting Biden because a U.S. under Trump is worse, but if you think stifling any conversation about what happens next with “the libs will save us” is contributing anything then you’re just as fucking dumb as the pugs that frequent hexbear.
Do you consider Biden to be a liberal?
The libs could save us, if we could ever get enough in power.
Of course the libs haven’t saved us, they haven’t had the numbers. It’s been neck and neck with the fascists for 20 years.
Imagine what we could do if the Dems had a 20 year supermajority. Universal healthcare, UBI, free college, wealth tax, these are all things that standard-issue Dems would love to do if it were feasible. The reason centrist Dems take baby steps isn’t because that’s all they want, it’s because that’s all they can do. Give em the power and they’ll do more.
As I’ve said, I will be voting Biden. I’m inclined to believe things will not change.
Give Dems the power, and we’ll prove you wrong. You’ll love it.
Don’t forget to vote downballot! And in non Presidential elections!
What’s your strategy?
I’m not saying you’re wrong on some points, but tell me how you’re going to fix the “corporate hellscape.”
And not a simple, “vote for a 3rd party” response. Provide a viable, long-term strategy for getting out of this mess.
Then tell me which candidate gives you the highest likelihood of executing your strategy.
Biden.
I’m voting Biden because Trump is demonstrably worse.
That being said, if you think that Biden is going to prevent the next conservative candidate from gaining steam: you are simply fucking dumb. If you think that the libs are going to prevent the next conservative candidate from gaining steam: you are simply fucking dumb. You stifling any conversation because you don’t like the context matter and are predispositioned to assume you’re unable to reach any consensus with the person on the other side is, guess what? BAD.
tell me how you’re going to fix the “corporate hellscape”.
I can’t. I would need the help of the people that are around me, the people that I can communicate to with words.
Let’s see, half of the country is religious. So that’s obviously an uphill battle, the other half… oh that would probably be the side that has people like you and the other people downvoting me.
Gonna go ahead and say it’s an uphill battle on both sides. Imagine actually demanding an entire plan that requires both uniting the country, which includes eradicating white supremacy and the various inequalities in the U.S., and then solving climate change.
God it’s like half the people here are children.
My long term solution would be uniting the under 50 vote to add the 28th amendment.
The 28th amendment needs to eliminate money/donations/bribes/grifts from the election process. It also needs to eliminate any form of augmented monetary enrichment for elected officials.
Until corruption via monetary gain can be somewhat controlled, we can never achieve a legitimate democracy.
You could literally put a half eaten turkey sandwich against Trump and I’d vote for the sandwich 100% of the time.
I dont really understand the math behind it, can some one explain to me please ?
Wouldn’t that mean the opposite then? Voters more likely to vote will vote Biden, so if the less likely to vote don’t vote that gives Vixen an edge?
so is the line now that even though the biden administrations policies are wildly unpopular there’s no reason to be worried or examine support held for the party because the turnout will make up the difference?
shoo!
You were probably taught in school that democracy is a wondrous ideal thing.
When you become an adult you realize democracy isn’t about voting for who you like the most. It’s about preventing bad people from getting power. You will never get to vote for some ideal perfect person, and even if you did the general muddiness of politics would prevent that person from being able to make the change they want.
Yes, it’s “the line” now. But to be more accurate, it’s always been the line.
It’s what US democracy is. In a lot of countries, you get to vote for people who represent you, and the system works out stopping people who are widely disliked by parties forming coalitions after the vote.
Look at the NL, and how it deals with a Trump-like candidate. He got a plurality of the vote, yet is unable to form a government because none of the other parties cooperate.
Great. We’re not in the NL. That’s not how it works here.
That’s my point, this is how the US works, this is not how democracy in general works. OP was saying that these faults are a natural consequence and inseparable from democracy. I’m bringing up a counterexample. It can be done better.
I think we agree on that the US system is incapable of stopping such a wildly unpopular candidate if they reach a plurality of the votes.
The bad people are already in power. Always have been, at least in my lifetime. Am I supposed to find comfort in voting for bad people because other people are worse? It’s as hollow of an argument as “other people have worse lives than you do so you’re not allowed to care that your life sucks.”
Yes, it’s “the line” now. But to be more accurate, it’s always been the line.
You’re not wrong, but also, when one of the parties purposely manipulates your vote by using the premise that you described, because they have a bad candidate, then they’re no better than the other party that are the “bad guys”.
There are more than just two candidates available in the whole United States of America that could run for president.
There are more than just two candidates available in the whole United States of America that could run for president
Yeah and they either decided not to run or were eliminated in the primaries. Ideally I think a ranked choice system would be better than a primary system, but the primaries are a somewhat reasonable approximation, albeit an antiquated one.
The thing about democracy is the winner is the person that gets the most votes, not decided by solely your vote. And you can’t force people to run. Bernie Sanders ran in the 2020 primary and lost to Joe Biden. He decided not to run in this primary. You can be bitter about this, maybe come up with some conspiracy theories about the DNC somehow putting Bernie in duress to keep out of the race. Or do the same for anyone else you prefer.
But the fact is the imperfect run off system of the US electoral system determined it’s Biden vs. Trump again. You can be emotional about how you wanted something different, but it’s not going to change anything. You can be angry at other voters for not choosing different candidates. Still not going to change anything.
And Joe Biden is legit the best President of my lifetime. Not something you’ll hear from content decided by social media algorithms. He’s done a lot despite some bad actors in congress, and he could do more if there were just a few more Dem Senators and a majority in the House. Only criticism I really hear is from either republicans and kids that are ageist and/or learned about foreign policy from TikTok.
You can be emotional about how you wanted something different, but it’s not going to change anything.
You can call someone out for their misdeeds without being emotional about it.
And things should be called out, and not just accepted, because you’re embarrassed someone might want to call you out as being emotional, as a way of ‘killing the messenger’.
And Joe Biden is legit the best President of my lifetime.
You must be young. Or an astroturfer.
You must be young. Or an astroturfer.
Gaslight
Obstruct
Project <— you are here
Whatever lets you sleep at night.
Uhh…
If you support Biden or hope that he’s elected this article should deeply disturb you.
Polls are looking bad recently and instead of having a party line of “we’re gonna change, we recognize that no one wants to suffer under rising inflation while their government supports a genocide.” They’re saying “it’s fine that the polls are bad, our supporters will come out and vote for us no matter what”.
I’m Canadian, and judging from history things tend to go badly for countries that neighbour fascist countries with a powerful military. So yeah I want Old Joe to continue to be President.
But I’m not too worried about polling, they were off in 2016 because they people considered unlikely voters actually did vote, and they voted for Trump. So the statisticians compensated for this and they were much closer to the mark in 2020, but still somewhat under-counted Trump support. So they have to compensate some more. But my gut feeling is that a siginificant of the unlikely voters that turned out for Trump in the past two elections probably won’t turn out for him again. But statistics is a scientific thing, they can’t just mark Trump supporters as unlikely voters again because of a gut feeling. They have to follow the process and do the math without any gut feelings about it.
So… the polls about support for Trump aren’t reliable at all. So no point in worrying about them one way or another.
The real concern right now is how young people are pushed into some strange politics by social media. The Olds are going to vote the way they always do, and there’s less of them with each passing day. The kids are getting sucked into accelerationist doomerism so who knows what will happen there. Constant emotional manipulation on social media can send people down some dark paths. I used to think the kids are alright, but I’m not so sure anymore.
That’s not what I’m talking about.
Media saying that it’s fine democrats are pursuing wildly unpopular policies because they have a durable support base is bad.
It doesn’t matter if it’s true (it’s not) or if that kind of thinking has been the norm in Washington forever (it has).
You never want to treat voters like they don’t have a choice, even if you believe it.
This is how they turn a huge swath of potential electorate into “Biden, hell no” people, just like me.
I tried to vote, but the DNC cancelled the Democratic primary in my state.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. This is accurate. They did not want your vote.
I’m getting downvoted because it’s accurate.
I actually agree with OP that everyone should be voting Biden in the general, but this constant messaging is tone-deaf as Hillary Clinton and is going to be self defeating.
You have another vote coming up.
In any case, no they didn’t. The Democratic National Convention didn’t cancel any state primaries. Your state party did. Your local Democrats decided to not have a primary.
That’s not how it happened. Yeah, sure, it’s technically up to the state party, but it was at the request of the DNC. There is authority, and then there is soft power.
Getting to pick between two candidates chosen for me by oligarchs doesn’t seem like Democracy to me.
How to piss off everyone at LW, watch:
I am voting for neither. I’m going to match what I care about with a specific candidate, because I don’t like Trump or Biden. [/opinion]
Now I’ll just sit and wait for the “you idiot” comments and the vitriol geyser to blow. This should be entertaining to watch people think my vote’s going to make a difference in the electoral college.
Thanks for surrendering what little choice you have to me.
Here’s that guy that was foretold by the prophecy. The one who doesn’t understand the electoral college. Lmao
Very appropriate username.
Thanks 👈😎
You’re welcome!
I hope one day you know as much about us politics as you think you do now ☺️
Teach me!
Cool, have fun picking between fascism and genocide.
Sure thing! Thanks again!
To be clear, I’ve surrendered nothing to you whatsoever. My vote will be counted toward another candidate available to me on the ticket, just neither Trump nor Biden. That you intend to vote for genocide or fascism is something you are so gleeful to do. Enjoy.
That’s called surrendering.
The more conservative BS you let the DNC get away with, the more you back Trump. Im not gonna vote for conservatives no matter how bad one of em is.
And elect Trump. Cool. Nice principles. Hope they keep you warm in the camps while you watch your family dragged away and killed. Or maybe it will be your neighbors and not your problem bc you’re not a target demographic. Yet. Thanks for your service hero. You’re affecting change with all your logic and practical action.
You’re electing Trump by not allowing any viable candidates to be considered
Who’s viable besides Trump and Biden?
entirely up to the voters to decide.
They did. Now it’s time for the general election, and those 2 are the choices.
When did they?
March 12.
Okay, whatever. We’re here now. Those are the two candidates. You’re not going to respond to this with an answer bc you’re not an actual human.
Yeah, that’s the attitude that got him elected and see how that turned out for everyone.
It’s not like doing that is going to inject much meaningful change. It’s not a strategy to address the problem you want to fix.
They never have solutions. Just criticism, whining, dreaming, and shoe gazing. If they’re not just working 9 to 5 in Russian troll farms.
I’d say the attitude that got him elected was a doomed candidate in Hillary. And Im saying Biden this year is similarly doomed.
I didn’t do that. I vote DSA. I primary’d Pelosi. I’m accepting the current situation and trying to make change where there’s no risk of elimination of any possible future change (allowing fascism in the oval office).
So how does electing Trump, whoever of us do it, make things better? What’s your proposal? Besides not voting for Biden, what are you doing?
Me and my queer family are thrilled to be sacrificed for your ideological purity. Hopefully we’ll get to watch from the camps as the Trump-led US helps Israel “finish the job” (Trump, 2024) in Gaza and “stolen” elections are eliminated in America.
Really weird to try using Bidens failings as a warning for what might happen if he’s not reelected.
There has never been a wider gap between the Democrats and the Republicans than there is right now.
I get it you want to prove your hardcore che guevara t-shirt socialist cred. But you want to be credible at all you gotta at least sometimes look at the facts.
what a chasm of a gap. Except for like, immigration now https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/28/senate-dems-asylum-ukraine-money-00128970
Perfect example. Trump says he wants to deport people that were born in the US (which obviously isn’t legal). Call in the military, shoot people attempting to cross the border. Texas is putting barbed wire on the border, the the Federal government (that’s Biden) is opposing it. They want the border completely shut down and people of certain ethnicity banned.
The Dems want additional judges to process asylum applications faster. Which is good for everyone. There are some bad things in the bill, but Biden doesn’t have to enforce them and the courts will likely overturn them like they did with Trump’s Muslim ban. Getting the additional judges and staff needed to deal with the backlog of asylum claims is super important and will lessen the hardship on immigrants seeking asylum.
So explain to me how trying to get asylum claims processed faster is exactly the same thing as Trump’s Muslim ban? Or building a wall? Or shooting people?
Its a federal border. That barbed wire is his barbed wire. This is his presidency, this is how he is running the border.
There are some bad things in the bill, but Biden doesn’t have to enforce them and the courts will likely overturn them like they did with Trump’s Muslim ban.
You do realize i have absolutely zero trust in Biden and this hinges on blind faith in Biden. Or at least youre arguing it does, i dont think Biden has any ability to control the bad things like fewer asylum approvals. Democrats, including Biden, have been using the same rhetoric as republicans, actively appealing to conservatives, assuring them they want a “stronger border”
Address the main point. Do you think democrats and Republicans are equally bad when it comes to immigration?
Yes. When is the difference supposed to be made clear? Like, theyre currently working with republicans on a bill to make things worse for immigrants.
You think Democrats want to call in the national guard to shoot any immigrants attempting to cross the border?
Or is that just Republicans?
It takes a truly privileged position to ignore that Repubs will make life worse for women, minorities, LGBT people, oh, and the entire planet because of climate. “Joseph Bidden isn’t helping the climate,” yeah I agree, the alternative is dismantling the EPA and ramping up emissions even further.
I dont think things are currently going well for any of these groups
I don’t think that’s an acceptable argument in favor of making them worse. Women were better off before this Roe v. Wade bullshit. You have the privilege to not give a shit, so you’ll do whatever you want with your ballot, I guess.
Women were better off before this Roe v. Wade bullshit.
absolutely. check out when that happened. If I cant convince you democrats are complicit in it, at least realize they’re impotent at opposing it.
So let’s let Trump put in another supreme court justice or two. He already got three, which is why Roe was overturned. I don’t understand how you think Democrats were complicit OR had any means of opposing it. It’s the supreme court.
Oh, I’ve actually seen that argument before. I can explain: they know women’s body autonomy is a big issue, they know they’re very visibly on the wrong side, but the best their propaganda network has come up with is “it happened during a Dem presidency sooooooooooo…”
Where’s Biden’s? If you think they have no means of opposing it, why do you want them elected? Whats the point?
It’s really neat how you far-righties think that anyone other than yourselves finds that argument credible. Ok, Dems are impotent to stop Repub malfeasance, I guess I had better throw my vote in the trash instead of voting against Repubs, great thinking.
Far lefty. Dems and republicans are both conservative from my perspective.
Nah. Lefties are smart enough to understand who placed which judge on SCOTUS. Lefties understand the mathematics behind FPTP voting. And lefties care about the erosion of human rights from having Repubs in office. You have none of those qualities.
You’re absolutely right… Since things suck for them now, we should accelerate their demise!
elect someone that wont continue to make things worse for them.
