• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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    Hexbear also has a large number of Putin and CCP apologists. Authoritarian bootlicking isn’t liberalism.

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      I thought this exact thing, but the more I learned about them, it turned out to really not be true. While there is a kind of meme culture there of asking Xi to nuke the town they’re currently residing in, and pointing out all of the white supremacist symbols used by the Ukraine’s army or whatever, there is a deeper context for it.

      They don’t necessarily support every move these people make and particularly in regards to Putin there is a lot of criticism towards his social stances.

      They’re more looking at this through the lens of what a nato conflict is causing in terms of a more multi-polar world and also Russia turning away from the neoliberalism that has dominated it since the fall of the Soviet Union.

      Not saying you have to agree with it. I’m more of a centrist myself, but it’s really not fair to say this as a blanket statement with no context.

    • AcidMarxist [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      All governments are authoritiarian. They have the authority to tax you and can do that cuz they have a monopoly on violence. But if you have “HUMAN RIGHTS” written on a piece of paper in your capital building that basically makes you a democracy, right?

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        All governments are authoritiarian.

        This argument is essentially “words have no real meaning”. Having authority does not make a government authoritarian. The term authoritarianism is defined. The CCP is authoritarian, by definition, starting with (but not ending with) having only one political party.

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          The CCP is authoritarian, by definition, starting with (but not ending with) having only one political party.

          China has 8 other political parties in its congress xi-lib-tears

          also it’s officially the CPC (Communist Party of China), not the CCP stalin-approval

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            Mmmhmm, and how many of those tiny parties have any functional political power? When was the last time that a non-CCP member led the PRC?

            Oh right, never. These other parties are tokens. Period.

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              America. This is America. It’s the same picture. America does the same thing but in a different fashion. Please at least admit America is authoritiarian. Why not? I’m a principled maoist, but this makes me want to burn down Walmarts anarxi

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                  Whataboutism is when you hold two governments to the same standard.

                  If capitalist bootlickers didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.

                  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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                    Whataboutism is when you ignore a criticism of one party and instead say that another party is worse in some way, in order to distract from the original discussion. Hexbear users apparently love this underhanded tactic.

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              The parties represent interests separate from and under the CPC, which is one of the largest political parties on earth and comprises of a tenth of the eligible population in China. The CPC is the party which represents the majority interests of the population, of which mas multiparty organization would merely atomize and undermine socialization.

              Also stop saying ‘CCP’; you are illiterate lmao.

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                1 year ago

                you are illiterate lmao.

                Since this is demonstrably not the case, I have to assume that you don’t know what the word means, which is somewhat ironic…

                • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.net
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                  He is using it as an insult, and as a way to convey that you do not comprehend the text you are reading. He does not mean it literally, but figuratively. This is really basic-level communication, but sometimes it can be difficult to parse tone - Please indicate if you need tone signifier for communication.

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                    What I need is discussion with people who are mature enough to not feel the need to use insults when making their arguments.

                    Apparently there aren’t many such people on hexbear.