Youāre replying to the thread where the OP wanted to nationalized SpaceX. I havenāt heard you say different. What are you proposing instead?
but youāre arguing through whataboutism.
No, Iām citing precedent. Its extremely applicable because its the exact same industry, and even existed before SpaceX. .
And SpaceX is an effective monopoly. Otherwise weād use other launch services at least some significant amount.
I donāt think you follow spaceflight very much if you hold this statement. Iām assuming the āweā youāre using here means US government launch.
Hereās US government launches that ULA did in 2022 and 2023 so far: 7 launches
Delta IV Heavy | NROL-68
United Launch Alliance | USA
Cape Canaveral, FL, USA
June 22, 2023, 9:18 a.m.
Delta IV Heavy | NROL-91
United Launch Alliance | USA
Vandenberg SFB, CA, USA
Sept. 24, 2022, 10:25 p.m.
Atlas V 421 | SBIRS GEO-6
United Launch Alliance | USA
Cape Canaveral, FL, USA
Aug. 4, 2022, 10:29 a.m.
Atlas V 541 | USSF-12
United Launch Alliance | USA
Cape Canaveral, FL, USA
July 1, 2022, 11:15 p.m.
Atlas V N22 | CST-100 Starliner Orbital Flight Test 2 (OFT-2)
United Launch Alliance | USA
Cape Canaveral, FL, USA
May 19, 2022, 6:54 p.m.
Atlas V 541 | GOES-T
United Launch Alliance | USA
Cape Canaveral, FL, USA
March 1, 2022, 9:38 p.m.
Atlas V 511 | USSF-8
United Launch Alliance | USA
Cape Canaveral, FL, USA
Jan. 21, 2022, 7 p.m.
And SpaceX is literally the only means by which the US is able to send astronauts to the ISS currently. StarLink is a strategically critical service for military and probably other purposes.
And SpaceX is literally the only means by which the US is able to send astronauts to the ISS currently.
Incorrect. The US can and does send astronauts on Soyuz. One of the astronauts currently on the ISS arrived on Soyuz. Additionally, the US chose this path irrespective of companies and vendors when they chose to stop flying the Space Shuttle. You canāt blame SpaceX for being successful and Boeing for being unsuccessful as justification to seize a private company.
StarLink is a strategically critical service for military and probably other purposes.
That is true state for hundreds of services providing by private companies to the US government. Why arenāt you arguing to seize or nationalize those?
Look, you seem like a pretty intelligent person from your post history. Arguing a point instead of a position isnāt pedantry, itās precision. You seem really worked up about this and I understand why, because forced federalization is a very dangerous and slippery slope. So itās probably just best for us both to walk away. I donāt want to continue refuting you and I hope you have better things to do than to continue refuting me.
You seem really worked up about this and I understand why, because forced federalization is a very dangerous and slippery slope.
You and I are in complete agreement. Nationalizing a company would have dramatic and catestrophic effects on the free market society in the United States. I do NOT advocate for that. The closest I would come would be good usage of the Defense Production Act.
I donāt want to continue refuting you and I hope you have better things to do than to continue refuting me.
I appreciate the time youāve taken in having the discussion. I hope you have a great day!
Youāre replying to the thread where the OP wanted to nationalized SpaceX. I havenāt heard you say different. What are you proposing instead?
No, Iām citing precedent. Its extremely applicable because its the exact same industry, and even existed before SpaceX. .
I donāt think you follow spaceflight very much if you hold this statement. Iām assuming the āweā youāre using here means US government launch.
Hereās US government launches that ULA did in 2022 and 2023 so far: 7 launches
Delta IV Heavy | NROL-68 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA June 22, 2023, 9:18 a.m.
Delta IV Heavy | NROL-91 United Launch Alliance | USA Vandenberg SFB, CA, USA Sept. 24, 2022, 10:25 p.m.
Atlas V 421 | SBIRS GEO-6 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA Aug. 4, 2022, 10:29 a.m.
Atlas V 541 | USSF-12 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA July 1, 2022, 11:15 p.m.
Atlas V N22 | CST-100 Starliner Orbital Flight Test 2 (OFT-2) United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA May 19, 2022, 6:54 p.m.
Atlas V 541 | GOES-T United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA March 1, 2022, 9:38 p.m.
Atlas V 511 | USSF-8 United Launch Alliance | USA Cape Canaveral, FL, USA Jan. 21, 2022, 7 p.m.
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How is SpaceX am āeffectiveā monopoly?
I was arguing a point, not a position.
And SpaceX is literally the only means by which the US is able to send astronauts to the ISS currently. StarLink is a strategically critical service for military and probably other purposes.
Precedent does not intrinsically imply merit.
Incorrect. The US can and does send astronauts on Soyuz. One of the astronauts currently on the ISS arrived on Soyuz. Additionally, the US chose this path irrespective of companies and vendors when they chose to stop flying the Space Shuttle. You canāt blame SpaceX for being successful and Boeing for being unsuccessful as justification to seize a private company.
That is true state for hundreds of services providing by private companies to the US government. Why arenāt you arguing to seize or nationalize those?
So this whole thing is an exercise in pedantry?
Look, you seem like a pretty intelligent person from your post history. Arguing a point instead of a position isnāt pedantry, itās precision. You seem really worked up about this and I understand why, because forced federalization is a very dangerous and slippery slope. So itās probably just best for us both to walk away. I donāt want to continue refuting you and I hope you have better things to do than to continue refuting me.
You and I are in complete agreement. Nationalizing a company would have dramatic and catestrophic effects on the free market society in the United States. I do NOT advocate for that. The closest I would come would be good usage of the Defense Production Act.
I appreciate the time youāve taken in having the discussion. I hope you have a great day!
Same! Cheers!