Need to make a primal scream without gathering footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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    NYT opinion piece title: Effective Altruism Is Flawed. But Whatā€™s the Alternative? (archive.org)

    lmao, what alternatives could possibly exist? have you thought about it, like, at all? no? ohā€¦

    (also, pet peeve, maybe bordering on pedantry, but why would you even frame this as singular alternative? The alternative doesnā€™t exist, but there are actually many alternatives that have fewer flaws).

    You donā€™t hear so much about effective altruism now that one of its most famous exponents, Sam Bankman-Fried, was found guilty of stealing $8 billion from customers of his cryptocurrency exchange.

    Lucky souls havenā€™t found sneerclub yet.

    But if you read this newsletter, you might be the kind of person who canā€™t help but be intrigued by effective altruism. (I am!) Its stated goal is wonderfully rational in a way that appeals to the economist in each of usā€¦

    rational_economist.webp

    There are actually some decent quotes critical of EA (though the author doesnā€™t actually engage with them at all):

    The problem is that ā€œE.A. grew up in an environment that doesnā€™t have much feedback from reality,ā€ Wenar told me.

    Wenar referred me to Kate Barron-Alicante, another skeptic, who runs Capital J Collective, a consultancy on social-change financial strategies, and used to work for Oxfam, the anti-poverty charity, and also has a background in wealth management. She said effective altruism strikes her as ā€œneo-colonialā€ in the sense that it puts the donors squarely in charge, with recipients required to report to them frequently on the metrics they demand. She said E.A. donors donā€™t reflect on how the way they made their fortunes in the first place might contribute to the problems they observe.

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      Oh my god there is literally nothing the effective altruists do that canā€™t be done better by people who arenā€™t in a cult

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      But if you read this newsletter, you might be the kind of person who canā€™t help but be intrigued by effective altruism. (I am!) Its stated goal is wonderfully rational in a way that appeals to the economist in each of usā€¦

      Funny how the wannabe LW Rationalists donā€™t seem read that much Rationalism, as Scott has already mentioned that our views on economists (that they are all looking for the Rational Economic Human Unit) is not up to date and not how economists think anymore. (So in a way it is a false stereotype of economists, wasnā€™t there something about how Rationalists shouldnā€™t fall for these things? ;) ).

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      Effective Altruism Is Flawed. Hereā€™s Why Itā€™s Bad News for Joe Biden.