Well, secular society has been anti-slavery and pro-woman for at least a hundred years now, and pro-LGBT for at least 20. Would you say things seem to be improving? Because it appears to me that they’re getting worse.
And who is delivering the votes to empower the forces of regression on those issues? Do they have tax free clubhouses that they hang out in on Sundays perhaps?
Not necessarily. You could have similar values as the church and just derive them from a different source (although I would argue that this source is then by definition your God and you’re not really an atheist), or you could have no values at all.
But if atheism means you care about all the things the church condemns, then your God is simply the antithesis of their God, which also means you aren’t really as much of an atheist as you think you are, but rather an anti-theist.
eh the antithesis of the christian god is actually, believe it or not, the christian god. satan had very little role in the religion outside of folklore. Satan was just the guy who gave knowledge to adam and eve, which was a bad thing for some reason. and there was another passage where he made a bet with god about ruining some dude’s life, but all in all he plays a pretty minor role in the bible, old and new testament.
god, on the other hand, one part he’s all like “kill all the amalekites” and the next he’s like “just love each other”. Once he even told some dude to sacrifice his only son, then changed his mind at the last minute and tried to play it off like it was just some sort of prank, bro. god is so inconsistent in christianity that if he says something, you can be almost certain that he directly contradicts himself later on.
In fact, this was the basis for a theory that early judaism wasn’t actually monotheistic, and that there were several gods, each of whom has a distinct personality and commits certain actions. For example, yaweh could have been a distinct god from el, which tracks since it seems that yaweh was the one who flooded everything and destroyed villages while el was the one who created everything and loved everyone.
i’m not saying any of that is true, just describing the belief system and what is actually presented in the bible and old jewish texts. Still pretty easy to be atheist, all you have to do is not believe in any kind of deity.
Yeah but it’s a little bit like putting your hands in front of your eyes and saying “nanana I can’t SEE you”.
Also, any idea or concept you pick up and elevate over everything else would by definition become your God, even if only temporarily. The only way to ensure you are actually atheist would be to turn completely chaotic and change your mind every five seconds.
Well, secular society has been anti-slavery and pro-woman for at least a hundred years now, and pro-LGBT for at least 20. Would you say things seem to be improving? Because it appears to me that they’re getting worse.
And who is delivering the votes to empower the forces of regression on those issues? Do they have tax free clubhouses that they hang out in on Sundays perhaps?
If you define your values to be in exact opposition to the church, do you not still have a God, except it is what the church calls Satan?
what? being anti-theist doesn’t necessarily make one a satanist.
Not necessarily. You could have similar values as the church and just derive them from a different source (although I would argue that this source is then by definition your God and you’re not really an atheist), or you could have no values at all.
But if atheism means you care about all the things the church condemns, then your God is simply the antithesis of their God, which also means you aren’t really as much of an atheist as you think you are, but rather an anti-theist.
eh the antithesis of the christian god is actually, believe it or not, the christian god. satan had very little role in the religion outside of folklore. Satan was just the guy who gave knowledge to adam and eve, which was a bad thing for some reason. and there was another passage where he made a bet with god about ruining some dude’s life, but all in all he plays a pretty minor role in the bible, old and new testament.
god, on the other hand, one part he’s all like “kill all the amalekites” and the next he’s like “just love each other”. Once he even told some dude to sacrifice his only son, then changed his mind at the last minute and tried to play it off like it was just some sort of prank, bro. god is so inconsistent in christianity that if he says something, you can be almost certain that he directly contradicts himself later on.
In fact, this was the basis for a theory that early judaism wasn’t actually monotheistic, and that there were several gods, each of whom has a distinct personality and commits certain actions. For example, yaweh could have been a distinct god from el, which tracks since it seems that yaweh was the one who flooded everything and destroyed villages while el was the one who created everything and loved everyone.
Think about what you just said. Because if that’s true, it would make being atheist a hell of a lot more difficult, wouldn’t it.
i’m not saying any of that is true, just describing the belief system and what is actually presented in the bible and old jewish texts. Still pretty easy to be atheist, all you have to do is not believe in any kind of deity.
Yeah but it’s a little bit like putting your hands in front of your eyes and saying “nanana I can’t SEE you”.
Also, any idea or concept you pick up and elevate over everything else would by definition become your God, even if only temporarily. The only way to ensure you are actually atheist would be to turn completely chaotic and change your mind every five seconds.
Ok now you’re really grasping at straws.