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I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.
I am an unapologetic leftist, and, like most other leftists, I do not believe that engaging in the liberal democratic process will, or even can, bring about my ideal society. However, while I don’t think voting is likely to make things meaningfully better, I do think it can prevent things from getting meaningfully worse. Maybe fascism can’t be defeated with votes, but I can’t see how anything is lost by trying. I mean, why make it easier on the fascists? I’m sure the fascists won’t just give up because they lost an election, but that’s not a reason to hold the door open for them. Again, I don’t think voting for Biden (or whoever the Democratic candidate ends up being) is going to make things much better, but I do think not voting for him could make things much worse. So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November. Not because it’s going to get us nearer to our ideal, or our ultimate goals, but because it might help prevent the US from being taken over by fascists.
Change requires sustained momentum. Bouncing back and forth between Republicans and protest voting against Democrats. Is a sure fire way to see no change. If we were to say, show solidarity and dedication to keep all Republicans from elected office. Republicans would lose relevance and slink away. They might try masquerading under a different name like economic liberals playing Libertarian that generally vote Republican. But they will lose influence.
Once that happens. Then we focus on the worst of the Democrats, primarying every single one and driving them out. That sustained momentum and push is what’s needed. To keep the fascist and the wealthy scattered and disorganized like they’ve kept the left. Though the left has done a fair share of that to itself. The right will eat itself as well especially once they’re not winning.
There are a lot of hypothetical conversations in this thread about fascism and “November” but for me this election is about something actually happening right now. People are being exterminated by US weapons in Gaza. I will not be voting for an administration that sanctions genocide. There has to be a political price for this kind of behavior.
I can’t acknowledge voting for the Democratic party as “the lesser of two evils.” To me it looks like Americans are afraid of losing their country, while the rest of the world has been running for cover from American weapons for over a century. The era of American exceptionalism and impunity is over. It’s time to rejoin the rest of the world. “Fascism or genocide” is not going to cut it.
“Fascism or genocide” is not going to cut it.
That’s the choice we’ve been given though. Except it’s really more like “fascism AND genocide or just genocide”.
A vote for dems is still a vote for fascism. They’ve got 3 bills right now in congress to stifle and delegitamize leftist organizations.
What you mean is “disrupting my day to day life fascism and genocide or status quo fascism or genocide”
I juat don’t understand why Democrats don’t nominate literally anyone else and win election, without risking Trump winning?
I don’t put this on some random people when real culprit is Democratic Party. It is almost like they want Trump to win.
Why would they? They know their voter base is a bot that will vote blue no matter who. They don’t have the incentive.
Biden does one thing wrong. And that is Gaza. There is a shit ton he has done right:
Supreme Court reform
Student loan debt relief
Healthcare reform
Renewable energy act
Banking reform
Agriculture subsidies to be ecological
Helping local farms
Weed restriction reclassification
Tech privacy restrictions
Making medicare more accessible
Veteran affairs
And quite a few more. Give credit where credit is due. He’s worked hard for us.
Sanctioning and providing material support for a genocide is not in the same category as any of these things.
Sanctioning and providing material support for a genocide is not in the same category as any of these things.
Why pick that and why pick that now, this time? Why not before? Why not other genocides? Is it because you look good in a keffiyeh?
“Why do you care about the Gaza’s genocide” is telling on yourself
“Why do you care about the Gaza’s genocide” is telling on yourself
Allow me to spell it out for you:
“Why do you care about the genocide of Palestinians NOW vs the last several decades of Israel’s apartheid state? Why do you care about the genocide of Palestinians but not of trans people in America? Why do you care about the genocide of Palestinians but not of Ukrainians?”
This shouldn’t be hard to figure out. People chose this issue now because they can afford to ignore the consequences of a Trump (or even just GOP) administration. They don’t have to deal with what happens and that fact allows them to prioritize one genocide over another.
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I see someone has not been paying attention.
He’s suggesting we will still have “elections”.
Ever notice how the GOP has stopped pushing for voter ID laws…
The post 2016 republican is so fucking crass. They’ve abandoned civility and are going straight for the throat, everytime. Instead of signaling they want to disenfranchise voters they are full on attempting to setup fake elections. Instead of dog whistling that president should be an authoritarian dictator they are ‘writing’ it into law with their fraudulent supreme court.
If there has ever been a motivating factor for the 2A people to do something it’s right now. Except, they were never about standing up to tyranny they were only about installing it. That’s exactly why school shootings are allowed to continue. Why they would only offer thought and prayers.
It’s not about that. It’s about sleep walking into fascism. Before the debate it was metaphorical. If you keep voting for the lesser evil you still get evil. It just takes longer.
Now we’re being asked to vote for someone who clearly cannot handle the duties of the office and is nothing more than a figurehead. Rubber stamping this does not protect democracy. It proves they can manufacture consent to put whoever they want in that office and you guys will keep pulling that lever thinking, “it could be worse”.
Ah yes a figure head of the party who did all this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatBidenHasDone/comments/1abyvpa/the_complete_list_what_biden_has_done/
Is just as bad as the figure head of a fascist, xenophobic, racist, authoritarian, nationalist, religious zealot party because they are both figureheads. You’re right.
I’m not even going to start with a list put together by his base. The news can’t put one together that doesn’t get ripped to shreds once you actually look at it. I doubt his base has put together anything like a list that says what the policies actually do. And no the title of the bill or the PR elevator pitch has no relation to what it actually does. For example he actually severely cut EV subsidies and you all fell on your knees to thank him for it.
Literally your best argument against this NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE REAL BECAUSE HIS SUPPORTERS COMPILED IT SO IMMA VOTE FOR A FACIST RACIST
You’re fucking wild bro
I never said I was going to vote for Trump.
If your not voting, voting 3rd party, or voting for Trump …any of those is a vote for Trump in America’s presidential election.
Also your name is maggoty so…
And let’s not get distracted from the main point by straw manning here. Your argument is ridiculous.
No. No they aren’t. The only vote for Trump is an actual vote for Trump. Casting anyone who doesn’t support you as an other who must support the bad guy was bullshit when Bush did it and it’s bullshit now.
No it isn’t. It’s literally math and logic deduction. It’s the bullshit two party system’s failings.
Because you only have 2 options who are going to pull enough votes to win, throwing your vote to a 3rd party is taking a vote from biden. not voting is taking a vote from biden. all of that is equal to a vote for Trump.
This additude is how we end up with a Weekend at Bernie’s presidential candidate. Just like activism within national politics is essential to our country’s vitality and growth, activism within party politics is essential for the party to stay relevant and effective. Just as our country will be lost to corporatocracy, oligarchy, and bigotry if no one fights for democracy, justice, and equality, our party will succumb to corporate donors, consultants, and myopic geriatrics if we sit on the sidelines.
Dems have a serious old people problem. We are the party of Dianne Feinstein, who clung to her senate seat until death despite being literally senile. We are the party of Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Hillary Clinton is another symptom of the same disease. She used the power she accumulated within the party over decades to foist herself on a reluctant party base by calling in favors and pulling strings that only someone who has grown old floating in the stratosphere of national politics can.
This country needs a revolution, and it needs to start within the Democratic Party.
Oh no, not a weekend at bernies candidate! Better elect a fascist!
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I literally say in the message that I’d vote for harris
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Except that he is president and has done the job exceedingly well.
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Consider how big of a fucking loser you have to be do go back and try and gloat days later in an internet argument. JFC you fucking child. Touch some grass, and experience the world. Lol. Fucking loser.
Greetings Comrade! The central office has directed that all attacks are to now focus on Biden’s dastardly plot to assassinate Dear Leader.
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Comrade! You are in danger of a serious reprimand. Tidy Bear is on his way to your apartment now to ensure that your mission objectives are VERY clear. вы понимаете?
I mean trump has already been president and elections kept on being a real thing
Did you miss this whole January 6th thing? I can understand how… it was very minor.
Did elections stop that day? No. Did they stop with Trump while being the president? No
Face it, whoever gets to be president, will do so for 4 years. And boringly so, you guys will vote again, in 4 years time for a new candidate.
A recent Supreme Court ruling gives the president sweeping immunity. Do you think Trump won’t abuse that to keep himself or one of his friends in power ad infinitum?
You can guess all you want, that’s not reality tho.
I mean if you haven’t been paying attention to like… Anything, really, for the last 7 years, I could see how this line of reasoning makes sense in complete isolation.
“Guys just face it, Germany has never had a dictator, and Germany will never have a dictator because the system prevents it” - big brain Germans in 1933, probably.
Right, so? If we go with that then you can find anything to justify whatever you want, no point in arguing 😉
Wait, are you intentionally ignoring the scheme with the 7 false slates of electors that were poised to overturn the election? The only thing that stopped it was Pence’s unwillingness to go along with the scheme. JD Vance on the other hand is the opposite. So what are you basing your opinion on at this point?
Reality? Fact: trump was president. Another fact: elections didn’t stop happening? Same with many other republican and democrats. You guys will be fine
I’ll do my duty and vote for Biden, but we’re going to lose with Biden.
- 37% approval-rating matching Jimmy Carter; no candidate in history won with those numbers.
- Biden has the most catastrophic debate performance in history, proving long-held fears by 75% of the electorate that Biden is too old 3 an immutable, worsening attribute.
- Biden was already hemorrhaging black and hispanic voters.
- Biden was already losing youth vote in part due to his position on Israel.
- Trump’s polls hardly budge after a full-blown criminal conviction.
- Trump seizes the narrative for the first time positively with a VP pick and TIME-cover magazine shots of him pumping his fist, defiant with a flag in the background as he’s covered in blood from an assassination attempt.
- Trump campaign has barely spent a nickle of their war chest money while Biden has been dumping their cash just to stay afloat in the polls as damage-control post-debate.
- Biden campaign team has ZERO strategy to change the trajectory of his terrible polls, including the 6 battleground states, all of which he trails in.
Ultimately it’s not me you have to convince; it’s the low-info battleground state swing-voter who now is either not voting or leaning Trump once again.
I will continue to advocate for Biden to step down until post-Convention; after that, well, I’ll probably bet money against his victory. That way, at least it’s win-win for me.
Trump didn’t get the predicted Marytr Bonus that normally follows a failed assassination, he can still do this.
Plus his Vice President is this guy - https://vxtwitter.com/JDVance1/status/1511311385543815180
Easily less likable than Paul Ryan
Even if he didn’t, which it certainly won’t hurt him, Biden is already underperforming not just his 2020 run by a full 10 points, he’s doing worse than Hillary’s 2016 run. I’m glad Trump chose Vance as it doesn’t help him, but again it doesn’t change the bottom-line.
We need to jump ship while there is still time.
Adam Schiff now just publicly called for for Biden to step down.
We need to be ready to stick to him no matter what if he doesn’t though
Indeed, we’d have no other better choice. It just puts me back where I was pre-Debate, but with less hope.
God I wish that debate never happened, I wasn’t even slightly worried about Biden’s chances until that made me go “Oh shit…”
People I know irl have actually switched to Trump because they’re worried Biden is a danger to himself and those around him. They keep saying “Oh Project 2025 will never pass, we got checks and balances”, but that’s not really true anymore
Project 2025 is already well under way. The supreme court has seen to that
I always like to point out that the people on the far right are always going to vote, and they are always going to vote for the Republican candidate no matter what. Even if you feel like there aren’t any “good candidates” you should still vote because even getting a less than ideal president is better than just doing nothing and letting Trump become a dictator for life
dictator for life LMAO 🤣
The problem with this meme is that it’s written by a shelter middle class white person. Minorities and poor people HAVE been dying due to Democrats’ capitation and appeasement to Republicans for years now.
Oh shit. I found Candace Owens account!
Huh? Candance Owens downplays minorities’ struggles, much like Democrat toadies like yourself.
Except your are parroting her rhetoric… so I guess you’re down playing minority struggles.
Nah, plenty of people besides her say this. You’d know this if you ever actually listened to the minorities you demand blindly vote for you.
