Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.
This is murder.
So some neckbeard republicans are going to come out and say “She should have just complied”, but honestly what is the absolute worst scinerio if she WAS shop-lifting? In what world is it not a better option to just get her FUCKING CAR’S license-plate number, track her to her house, then arrest her there when she’s clearly cornered? Or just boot her car when it’s found again and force her to come to you to get it off?
Because now you’ve killed a woman and her unborn baby over some God damn groceries.
The hell is wrong with this country. Shoplifting is not violent crime. If they flee put out an arrest warrant and they’ll turn up later, in a lot more trouble.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape. It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It’s an execution. Someone accused of a crime doesn’t get a trial or a chance to defend themselves. Someone with a gun makes a decision to end their life on the spot.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape.
Not to mention, standing in front of a car driven by a POC who has every reason to expect the cops to shoot them anyway. That person is already frightened and likely panicked and not thinking clearly. Putting yourself in front of a car with a panicked driver who is justifiably in fear for their life is incredibly stupid.
Also, what is with cops just repeating the same command over and over again and refusing to otherwise interact with the person. Are they trying to make the situation worse? Why not try and de-escalate the situation. Oh, that’s right, they want a reason to shoot people.
Are they trying to make the situation worse?
Yes, because it lets them use lethal force like the jack booted thugs they want to be.
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Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone
This “technique” has been demonstrated enough that frankly, I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you’re better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first. If they walk in front of your car, it’s clear they’re just itching to murder you. The threat has been made, you should fear for your life. It’s you or them.
That’s not unreasonable. Maybe under Montana common law argument would work.
I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you’re better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first.
Who upvotes this crap? This is worse than reddit.
Debate it.
Running from police in a high crime area used to be considered probable cause.
That’s changing now because running from police in a high crime area is an eminently reasonable thing to do even if you’re innocent.
If the tactic is demonstrably employed as a pretextual justification to kill nonviolent criminal suspects, than it’s reasonable to say that statutory law of resisting arrest should be the thing that breaks, not the natural law of self defense.
I can’t think of any other reason for a cop to place himself in front of a car. It’s dangerous and it’s not going to stop a car. It really only can be to provide an excuse for deadly force.
So every time a cop steps in front of someone’s car they’re planning on executing them…
Nah. If a pig wants to kill me, I’m doing my damndest to make sure it comes with me
Why do you all care so much if you’re upvoted or not?
Yeah it didn’t take long, every thread is filled with this bullshit
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That’s what happens when your cops aren’t trained in de-escalation.
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Also keep in mind, businesses usually have insurance against theft.
To anyone saying she tried to run over the officer, please watch the body cam footage. She is turning the wheel as much as possible to steer the vehicle away from the officer. On top of that, she pulled forward very slowly. If you were trying to run someone over, you would not give them every opportunity to avoid being hit by the vehicle.
Stop licking boots
I do not understand why it is so common for police in this country to stand in front of a car and then shoot the driver when the car moves. It’s a manufactured danger and really does not seem like a smart idea to use your weapon to put a corpse in control of a heavy machine.
Getting shot over shoplifting is insane.
The usa is fucked beyond saving
I’m fine with enacting a quarantine across the entire united states and allowing those who want to leave to leave
No. They’ve had their chances. None can leave without rigorous testing first. We don’t want to end up with another America just in a different location.
and allowing those who want to leave to leave
I hope you fare better than other refugees who turn to come here by boat.
BUILD THE WALL
/s?
She got shot over driving at a police officer standing in front of her car. The fact that it escalated to that is a pretty bizarre series of events though.
She got shot over driving at a police officer standing in front of her car.
Framed differently, a cop moved in front of her car for an excuse to shoot her. He could just as easily NOT have moved in front of the car and/or have taken a step back like any normally functioning human being would have done.
You’re not wrong, but it’s still dishonest to say she was “shot for shoplifting”.
she was
You’re right, turns out she was shot for not shoplifting.
Shoplifting is not a death sentence. Driving away from police is illegal, but not a death sentence. She’s trying to leave? Fine, step to the side, take her plate number, and put out a warrant. At no time was it necessary for him to pull out his gun.
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Even the headline contends she did something wrong. Literally no one is saying she did nothing wrong.
But she didn’t even commit shoplifting, she was wrongfully accused and the car rolled after she was dead and her corpse failed to keep pressure on the brake.
Literally the only thing she did was fail to comply with demands to exit the vehicle and turn the steering wheel in an attempt avoid the officer before being shot.
So what she did was not listen violent and angry people who have full privilege to shoot indiscriminately and was shot for it.
I can pretend she did nothing wrong happily, because she barely did anything at all other than be a victim.Have you got fuckig brain damage or something bud?
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Vehicular assault is a misdemeanor in Ohio btw. Misdemeanors do not carry the death penalty.
Also no one was struck with the car. This young mother was murdered.
OK cop
See, people are even defending it. Truly and absolutely fucked fucked fucked.
I don’t think /u/Ilovethebomb was trying to defend it. He’s just adding context. She didn’t only get shot for shoplifting. The shoplifting initiated an interaction with the police that escalated. She started driving away and the cops tried to physically stop the car with their bodies. So one of the cops panicked and shot.
Of course there are many issues - why were the cops pointing guns at her in the parking lot while she was in the car? Certainly didn’t help with de-escalation. I hope the cop who fired the shot and is under investigation gets criminal charges.
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Where this occurred, calling her innocent is actually true, because she had yet to be convicted in a court of law.
That doesn’t mean she did nothing wrong.
Fun fact: she wasn’t the shoplifter. They didn’t find the stolen goods in her car.
Why was officer dumbass standing in front of a moving car?
In his head, that was his tiananmen square moment
Dead tiananmen square students still received more of an education than this cop.
She didn’t steal anything. The cop stepped toward the direction she was steering. He even stepped forward as she was attempting to “run him over”.
She didn’t steal anything.
You have no way of knowing that.
The items she supposedly stole have been found in the shop near the exit.
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One of the recent news articles. Sorry, no link.
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Innocent until proven guilty?
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Sounds like that officer hates unborn babies
Your take is scummy and delusional. I don’t envy the world you’ve constructed around you that’s so blind and ignorant towards reality
OK cop
American fascists continue to prove their belief that property damage isn’t an acceptable response to murder, but murder is an acceptable response to property damage.
Woman scared for her life because officers immediately pointed guns at her for no reason is proven correct when killed by officers for no reason. Just another day in America. Cops just love pulling their guns and using them for no good reason. The only time a cop should be pointing a gun at someone like this is if their life is in immediate danger from that person.
How would society feel if these weren’t cops? If a guy just runs up to your car pointing a pistol at your head you aren’t going to be calm and rational. It’s bullshit we expect anyone to be.
How should this have been handles instead? If she really really doesn’t want to comply, You write down her license place, and you let her go.
That simple.
You have her face on video, you have the license plate, it’s trivial to then go visit her at her home and have a talk. Hell, follow her if you have to, but not in a high speed chase. Just keep your distance, let her go where she wants to go until she’s done.
Worst case scenario, you just let her go.
This extreme focus on that every petty little thing MUST be stopped, every small time offender MUST comply only ends in this. Suffering.
Instead focus on fixing poverty and you know, making sure that pregnant women have all they need so that they don’t need to steal? That is why we banned abortion, no? Because we care about babies?
Oh yeah that’s right. We care about unborn fetuses, but born babies can get fucked.
Let this woman have an abortion if she can’t afford a baby. Now she doesn’t need to shoplift, at least not for the baby
Lift people out of poverty. Push people to be better educated. THOSE are things that will actually lower crime rates but then it means they ml o longer are the common pulp that can stand on
She “disrespected” the cop by trying to resist therefore she must be destroyed because every fucking cop has a ego problem. Had to “set an example”.
That is why we banned abortion, no? Because we care about babies?
No, we banned abortion to keep controlling women and make sure they keep their head low and their financial situation lower. And it works so well that they have to shoplift, in which case we can justify killing them. Mission accomplished!
Honestly, fuck humanity.
It’s also a massive waste of money and resources that could be used to fight actual, real crime.
I’m guessing the time and ammo it took to kill her amounts to more dollars lost than she could ever shoplift for. Did the store get their money back? No? Then what the fuck was the point? Who was actually helped that day?
The point of having police is to make society livable. This seems to be the opposite of that.
But that’s dangerous… Real criminals might fight back. Some
copsdelicate flowers might get hurt.I consider cops being “removed from duty” a net benefit to society so…
Hard shit take: she really doesn’t need to shoplift now, for herself or the baby.
Uh huh. Probably.
Depending on poverty levels, she actually might have to. Not saying shoplifting is fine, but it might help to keep in mind that if people cat fed their children the legal way that they will move to crime to do so. Whether they caused their own situation (at least in part) or not doesn’t matter in that equation.
Also, again, you don’t murder somebody (actually, somebodies, according to their own laws as she was pregnant) for stealing a few items. There are better ways of handling that.
None of the wrongs she did justify what happened
Worth noting that the car didn’t have plates according to the Police.
Hardly the Police job to solve poverty?
This 21 Year old has a 6 and 3 year old sons. I’ll let you do the math on that. But it adds up to before some states had bans.
Regardless. They should not have drawn their guns since she didn’t pose any immediate threat.
Regardless. Fact of the matter is that the situation only escalated after the police drew their weapons.
Regardless, her trying to run one of the cops down is only going to end 1 way.
This 21 Year old has a 6 and 3 year old sons. I’ll let you do the math on that. But it adds up to before some states had bans.
First of all, red states made it next to impossible to get abortions even when it was legal. Also, they cost money. Contrary to apparent popular belief, George Soros or the DNC don’t just appear to fund every abortion. Or, sometimes people are Catholic, which is fucking stupid, but maybe there’s some family shit you don’t know about. Especially for a minor trying to get an abortion. Again, contrary to popular belief, they weren’t just being handed out for free on every corner to every 16 year old who wanted one. There were still a million obstacles long before the Dobbs decision.
Second, “I’ll let you do the math” is a judgey, self-righteous, and gross statement.
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Abortions are available in ohio. That is what matters here, since the argument being responded to was, “let her have an abortion”.
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Are you going to add any anything of worth?
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It’s indeed not the job for the police to solve poverty and I’m sure this woman has her problems.
None of that excuses what happened. They should never have pulled their guns. That police officer should not have been standing in front of the car. The woman tried to run away, nit murder a cop. The officer was standing in the most dangerous nokace he could, I’m arguing that that was in purpose. “I’ll stand where if you make a move you might kill me, giving me reason to shoot you”
Even that car not having license plates excuses anything. Then follow her, distantly. She’ll stop somewhere, pick her up there.
Hell, even letting her go is preferable to this outcome. It doesn’t matter that his woman had kids since she was 15, it’s irrelevant. It doesn’t matter that she is poor, uneducated, it’s all irrelevant.
The point is that police in the US is horribly educated, and has a terrible culture. They need to be educated for years, not 6 months. They need to get a culture of “we are to protect and serve” instead of “we are Rambo Cowboy”. They need to learn to calm and deescalate every situation they arrive in, not always make shit worse
I already said that they shouldn’t have drawn weapons didn’t I?
Your story about how they should follow her from a distant and stop her once she gets out is just fantasy. That’s also not where the fault lies.
Her trying to run one over is vehicular assault at best. Yes. The police stood there on purpose. To make sure she didn’t take off. That’s fine. Dare I say common procedure in multiple countries, not just the US.
Pretty sure it’s been stated everywhere that their education and work culture is a big problem. I agree. The police conduct that lead up to the shooting was poor. I agree.
The moment she tries to run one over. It was only going to end 1 way.
I’m agreeing with you in my first comment so I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue.
Your story about how they should follow her from a distant and stop her once she gets out is just fantasy.
It’s reality in countries with police officers who had an actual education and training though. Let the “criminals” go for now, pick them up later. In this case, it would have saved two lives.
Yes, when it’s deemed that approaching the criminal in public poses an imminent danger to the public.
Or if they have reason to believe that the Alleged shoplifting is organized, They might hold of to later follow them home and conduct a search of the home for evidence of more stolen items.
Are suggesting she’s either a danger to the public or part of organized shoplifting?
Or when approaching a SUSPECT (she wasn’t convicted of anything) causes danger to the suspect itself, for example.
Let’s say that she is mentally ill, just to make the point. Are we going to do the same? Stand in front of the car, she gets a panic attack and just drives without thinking because of me tal illness. Are we going to shoot her too?
Oh wait, that is what is happening all the time in the USA where innocent civilians with mental illnesses are murdered by police because police in the US isn’t trained to do their job right. This is actual realiti there.
Again, had these police officers been trained properly, she (and her unborn baby) would still be alive today.
This is not on her, this is on US police. Again.
The police should not have drawn weapons.
She should not try to run them over. Not sure why that’s a controversial take for you.
Regardless, her trying to run one of the cops down is only going to end 1 way.
Exactly. I get the hate on police, and frankly they did initiate the situation here and should have handled things better, but ultimately if you intentionally drive a vehicle into someone responding with a gun is warranted.
The thing is she didn’t floor it. Didnt even pull away quickly. He could have stepped out of the way… he in fact did, right after he pulled the trigger and shot her. He literally stood in front of the car, pulled his gun and basically said “move the car and you die”. He put himself in harms way, pulled his gun and escalated the situation.
This will in all likelihood be deemed a justified shooting by the police and court, but with a little compassion from the officer it could have ended without this lady being dead. Bet he doesn’t even care.
Yeah I was thinking the same, she moved very cautiously forwards, he then basically climbed onto the hood and shot her. She was being so careful he had the perfect shot lined up.
This will in all likelihood be deemed a justified shooting by the police and court,
Almost certainly - but I would still say this is more or less rightly so. Maybe they can successfully argue that she wasn’t trying to kill him, she was trying to drive around him, based on evidence from the video. Normally a court would give the benefit of the doubt to the victim of having a car driven towards them, but if that doubt can be proven with video then that’s another matter.
but with a little compassion from the officer it could have ended without this lady being dead. Bet he doesn’t even care.
He definitely wanted to shoot from the start. He initiated that whole situation to give himself justification to draw, he created the opportunity to kill her. A lack of compassion is an understatement.
From what I could see, the gun was out first. Most people go their whole lives without having a gun pointed at them. How you will respond is very unpredictable. Panic sets in - it doesn’t seem real. Cops are (or at least should be) trained on how to handle life or death situations- ordinary people are not.
The gun was drawn when she started turning the wheel to drive around the officer stood in front. You can hear it coming out of its holster, and you don’t see it before then.
However, I’m not condoning the officer’s behaviour here. They created the situation, they should have known better, both reasonably and from their training. What they did was essentially a form of entrapment.
All I’m saying is that she made a mistake herself also by driving the car towards him, and, regardless of whether it’s a police officer or a regular human being, responding with a gun is most likely going to be justified.
So what your saying is the gun was drawn after she showed signs of non-violent escape?
Anything else is apologetics.
The phrase “the police should have handled it better but…” should just be outlawed. I guess it does let everyone know to never have a conversation with whoever says it though, so I guess there’s that.
What’s with users like yourself behaving like assholes to other users all the time recently? Personal insults are lame.
Where is the insult? I just see you calling someone an asshole…
I didn’t call them an asshole, I said they were behaving like one. I assume they’re perfectly capable of not acting that way and are just taking an opportunity where they feel they can get away with it.
The insult was in implying that what I say has no value simply because I’m pointing out the police aren’t the only ones who did things wrong here; rather than engaging and arguing ideas they made an ad hominem attack. Saying that in reply to me but directed at everyone else is incredibly rude.
I didn’t call them an asshole, I said they were behaving like one
That’s like the guy at UPS saying my package isn’t lost, he just can’t find it.
She tried to run over a cop. You are out of your mind.
Die she now?
The video seems to suggest she tried to get away, not commit a homicide. Police could have easily let her go. They have a license place, they have a face, they can go pick her up any time later.
This was a SUSPECTED shoplifting. The problem here is that in the USA police have no idea about de-escalation. They always seem to make every situation they get in to worse.
Police needs to arrive into a situation and make it calmer, better. To protect and serve remember? You can’t protect anyone if you just get in waving guns every single time.
This is about shoplifters. You stop them. They don’t let you? Then don’t start shooting, there are other solutions. I recall a few years ago there was a similar situation where US police officers tried shooting a suspected shop lifter in a parking lot ending up shooting and killing a little girl standing being the suspect.
Actions like these are madness and show that police officers in the USA are wholly unprepared to do their jobs. This is not surprising if you realize they received a fraction of the education that police officers get in (for example) Europe. There they do teach de-escalation and it works, people don’t get shot for stealing a bread.
Oh im sorry did the police not wait out for the right time for an arrest? That is so rude. Yeah better let the future officer do it that is the best solution. How bout she get out of the fucking car? she could have done something even more stupid and harm someone else if they let her go.
Even if she was a shoplifter, killing her is not an appropriate response. But we don’t know if she was a shoplifter, do we? We only know a store employee said she was, is that employee infallible?
No matter if she was an angel incarnate i fully expect to get shot at when i pull this sort of nonsense in presence of police and i dont even live in a country where anybody can be armed to the brim. I wish more people would think this way too.
On the other hand, there are plenty of examples where the police show lack of training, which is an issue, but this isnt one of them.
Yeah, that kind of mind set is what the typical US police officer seems to have. And it gets people killed over and over for petty offences, if any.
This woman gets scared, she becomes unpredictable. “Well then, let’s stand in front of the car so that she can’t leave without trying to run me over! That is a great reason for me to murder her!”
Or you can just let her go. It’s the same reason why in other countries you typically don’t see the high speed chases that you see on the US. You start chasing somebody, they start taking risks that put everyone at risk. You just let them go and catch them later when things have calmed down.
It’s the same reason behind why do many mentally ill people are murdered by police officers in the US because they don’t know how to deescalate.
This in turn is all a consequence of the lack of training that US police officers have. They barely train with their gun and that is most of the Training they get.
I still blame the lady.
In a mellow tone: “You are beeing accused of shoplifting”. “ok cya”. Hits the pedal…
i guess we can settle on having better training is always better.
Remind me to shoot you in the knees next time you speed 5kmh…
This is about appropriate force. If you can’t deescalate a situation then you have no business carrying a badge and a gun.
shooting someone over speeding? what is wrong with you?
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I’m just relieved that the property was protected.
The shareholders would lose 0.000000001% profit
You joke, but this number is probably still too high. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if shareholders technically lost money due to the interruption of potential customers by all the commotion.
Her driving at the officer is a pretty immediate risk…
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A car at rest vs unhinged cops with loaded guns who have no issue killing… Hmmm 🤔
Maybe next time I go hunting instead of bringing a gun, I’ll just bring a car.
To be fair, it’s often said, if you want to get away with murder, do it with a car… Sprinkle some bicycle next to the body for good measure.
I wonder if the cop will be prosecuted for providing an unlawful abortion.
I mean, could he not just have taken the license plate number then sent agents to go knock on her door later? This is shoplifting, not armed robbery.
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Driving a car without plates is extremely common in this area. It has been ever since they suspended registration requirements during Covid. I see multiple cars without plates every time I go for a drive.
That’s not how plates are obtained. It has nothing to do with it. When buying a car from a dealership new, they submit all the paperwork, and your plates are sent to you within a month. If it’s used, it should already have a plate, but you can still get one from the DMV through online services in almost every state.
Not having a plate is usually someone avoiding tolls or red light cameras or some other petty crime thing. And to play devils advocate, I suppose it could have been stolen, too.
This area doesn’t have tolls or red light cameras.
Dealers don’t submit paperwork for you to get plates unless you pay extra for the service. Otherwise you get a 45 day temporary tag.
If you buy used in a private sale, then you get nothing. You have to go buy plates. There is no transfer of plates between private parties in Ohio when doing a private sale.
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Oh I dont have my plates I’ll just tape up this piece of paper in my rear window and no one will care
Was there any evidence that the car didn’t have plates
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She drove forward with the officer directly in front of the vehicle. Regardless of what happened previously, thats an action that could kill someone.
Isn’t it kinda stupid of the police officer to put himself in that dangerous position. He could just as well have let her go and find her later or follow her. Trying to stop a car by standing in front of it is imo. just stupid and unprofessional.
US cops are the kind to pull out a guy’s multitool, fold out the knife, put it in the guy’s hand, grab their hand and hold it at their own throat.
Then waiting for them to twitch, so they can shoot them dead.
Standing in front of the car wasn’t a smart thing to do, I agree with you there. “Let her go and find her later” isn’t really how it works though.
This exactly how it works in normal countries. She was not robing a bank she was just shop lifting. You get the license plates and invite her to court some time later.
Nah, you don’t get to just drive away from the police anywhere, sorry. Most would use less lethal means to stop her, but I don’t think any competent force would just let her leave.
Can’t speak for anywhere else, but can speak for personal experience, here in Italy “take the license plate” or “get in the police car and follow her” would be our procedure. She has not pulled out a weapon, and law enforcement is not supposed to escalate anything, ever. (Exceptions might apply, poorly trained officers exists). Even if she pulled a gun, probably we’d just try to evacuate everyone in the area and call for reinforcements before thinking of pulling out our firearms.
On average we get 5 police deaths in a year out of about 300-350 thousands agents, so I guess it works well enough.
(and yes, I do realize that in US there’s a lot of armed and trigger happy civilians, but that’s just another issue to solve. If a civilian needs a gun for self protection , there’s something really really wrong with society in my opinion)
Nor would any competent force give an ultimatum of “stop or die” over a trivial crime. Most countries would get in their car and try to follow safely, if that wasn’t possible you run the plates and send a summons. A hand should never be near a gun in this situation.
There’s no defending this.
I’m not defending this so much as pointing out the absolute nonsense some people in this thread are spewing.
They stop high-speed chases all the time because it’s getting too dangerous. And some of them have done way worse than shoplifting…
That is literally the standard procedure for dealing with shoplifters.
And also this woman wasn’t the shoplifter.
The cop deliberately walked in front of her car and pointed a gun at her. She panicked. I’d probably panic too if someone pointed a gun at me. Granted, I probably wouldn’t have drove forward, but it was entirely possible for the cop to not have walked in front of her car, for him not to have pulled a gun. It seems like him pulling the gun is what caused this.
Flooring it at someone, yes. Slowly moving forward and turning away, not so much.
You can definitely kill someone by slowly driving over them
So maybe cops should be smart and not jump in front of/on top of moving cars. But then again, we already know they aren’t hired for being smart.
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Yeah probably not the best to drive at police. Amazed that even needs to be said and isn’t obvious to most people
Man, there’s some cooked people in here.
You could murder an officer in cold blood and they’d find a way to justify it.
You say that in a thread about a woman murdered by an officer in cold blood. Wow.
Having someone trying to run you over isn’t “in cold blood”
Good grief.
Except that guy isn’t dead. The woman is. The cop has plenty of opportunities to do a really big part of his job, de-escalate, rather than do the opposite, position himself in front of her vehicle and immediately point a gun at her. He went right for the death threat and almost immediately delivered.
Is this where society is heading? Rampant theft resolved with murder to save corporations?
To them, this probably sounds easier than lowering prices, reducing CEO’s millions in pay and propping up stock prices.
That’s fucking horrible.
First off, I wish they would show the full uncut raw footage. People need to see the reality of getting shot.
Second, he literally just pulls the gun out and says “get out of the car.” Like, what the fuck man? Get out of the car or I’m going to shoot you? For stealing from a fucking kroger? One of the biggest businesses in the US?
Dude. This is bullshit. He needs criminal charges.
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What a great idea! They could register that metal plate with local govt, almost like a license to operate a motor vehicle…
Sounds like communism.
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It’s too early in the morning for me to watch uncut footage of a pregnant woman getting shot.
Cool. That doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t.
It’s a good thing you refuted my attempt to restrict people from seeing things. I was literally gouging people’s eyes out with a fork, destroying all computer screens and light bulbs, bringing a new age of permemant darkness so that nobody shall ever behold the glorious videos of preggos getting riddled with bullets… until One True Hero had the courage to Rise Up against my reign of tyranny and said,
Settle down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ending_Qualified_Immunity_Act
If you want this to stop, force your representatives to finally vote this into law.
Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery. She’s getting a baby soon and is maybe trying to save up because the US has no proper help to offer. Being shot and murdered by the police for a relatively harmles crime is beyond crazy for a society to accept. The policeman should be arrested for murder and abuse of power and Final put behind bars
She was falsely accused of shoplifting. She didn’t actually do it.
True point. The whole scenario is written in such a bad way in the article its completely glossed over, and even I missed that fact. It just makes the whole mess even worse. It could have been anyone that got shot here just for being scared by threatening police officers who are escalating the situation
Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery.
As much as I don’t think this woman should’ve been shot, shoplifting isn’t usually done by people who “need/have” to and it’s also usually items that aren’t necessities. Ask anyone who works at an Ulta or makeup section of a department store. In fact, I watched a lady run out of an Ulta into a car that sped off who, according to employees, stole a bunch of perfume and they told me and my girlfriend they were likely going to resell the perfume online.
Sure, sell it to be able to afford some meager amount of groceries for her and her baby. Meanwhile the fat cat cop, who probably ate a breakfast before work, is out there looking for some breakfastless person to shoot to justify the need for him to keep his job.
We’ll frame it however we want.
I think the cop should absolutely be
firedprosecuted, but I don’t think police shootings are to “justify the need” for police officers to keep their jobs.That doesn’t even make sense: police officers involved in shootings are likely to be investigated by IA, which is compounded stress ontop of a job that probably already sucks, who’s possibly even pushed out of the force by IA, and if the shooting an officer was involved in was in fact justified (not this one) you’re left with an officer who’s unfit mentally and will likely feel some guilt for the rest of their lives.
In the world you think we live in, encouraging police shootings because it “justifies” a need for police leaves you with a bunch of underperforming and mentally unstable bunch of police officers and a forever staggering rate of total police officers and their presence in neighborhoods where they’re actually needed; as people will resign and no new officers will replace them.
Excuse me, fired? They should be prosecuted. They murdered someone for no reason. That is a murder. Murder is not allowed. Killing someone in self defense isn’t a murder, but this clearly was.
This police officer deserves to be reprimanded the way any citizen would be for shooting and killing someone without just cause.
Sorry, I agree. I don’t know why I simply said “fired.”
that’s a lie they resell because they need the money to survive
But then they bought more perfumes with that money. Since it was a significant amount, they got a discount but then sold those perfumes for MRP. They kept doing this over and over and before you know it Bob’s your uncle and they started a chain of perfume shops globally. Now they are the fatcat CEOs of Global Perfumes Inc. and spend considerable resources per annum to make sure people don’t shoplift from their stores.
Hey we can’t all just partner with nazis like Coco Chanel to launch our brands.
The car the lady was driven off in was like decent looking ~2020 model car. Maybe it happens the way you say it does, I don’t know. I’d like to see data that shows if either how you what you say is true or not, but generally when I’ve personally witnessed shoplifting it’s not done by people who seem like they’re truly struggling.
The reasons for shop lifting are many, but it usually boils down to needing money because their daily job isn’t enough to get by and live a happy life. Or they can’t get a job at all for one reason or another. Desperate people do desperate things.
My brother in law spends it all on meth and my sister fills in with theft where she can.
Have you tried shooting them?
Years ago I had a .45 with a suppressor priced out to take out BIL.
Just call the cops, it’s cheaper.
With my luck my niece and nephew would be the ones that got shot. The poor dog, too, obvs.
