• FiveMacs@lemmy.ca
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    $27 isn’t really a lot considering each bee was supposed to be $1000

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      American notation - they use comma every three orders of magnitude, and dot for decimal separator. It’s almost as retarded as imperial measurement system, but what can you do.

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        Dafuq? It makes way more sense than using a dot for the separator and a comma for the decimals. Commas are literally for separating related ideas in a single sentence. The thousands position is related to/part of the hundreds place in a single number. What’s your crazy logic for using a terminator within a single number representation?

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          Commas are literally for separating related ideas in a single sentence.

          While I personally think it’s arbitrary which characters to use as separators I can’t follow that logic.

          Thinking of sentences, a comma separates stuff that belongs together while a dot is literally a full stop. All of the comma/dot separated parts belong to the same number though. So, why are thousands/millions more closely related than integers/digits?

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            You said it yourself, “a comma separates stuff that belongs together”. The integers. I can type 27000 and its valid, I can space them integers with a comma 27,000 they belong together. Decimals are different to integers, so they are marked with a period, like the end of a sentence (of integers).

            You can argue either way honestly, but more of the world use periods for decimal notation. So it would make more sense if we just adopted that (never going to happen though).

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              27,000 and 1.5

              Why do 27 and 000 belong closer together than 1 and 5? Both numbers are incomplete when leaving out a component.

              You can argue either way honestly

              Agreed, it’s completely arbitrary.

              more of the world use periods for decimal notation

              It’s two pretty large groups but you’ve got India and China, so population wise it’s pretty clear. Let’s make a deal: we (Europe) switch to the dot as decimal separator if the US switches to metric.

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          It makes way more sense than using a dot for the separator and a comma for the decimals.

          How about using spaces?

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        I’d love to hear what’s objectively ‘wrong’ with this one. They’re arbitrary symbols. If anything, isn’t the decimal more akin to a full stop, while a digit separator is more of a pause?

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          Having a full stop between thousands is just as stupid. It’s completely arbitrary. It’s only unfortunate that it’s yet another difference hindering communication (and numbers parsing, dammit)

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          Yeah, it is objectively bad, because introduces confusion. These systems are supposed to remove ambiguities, not introduce them

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            Introduces confusion how? Because it doesn’t agree with the arbitrary convention you happened to grow up with? Why is your preferred convention not equally objectively bad? I thought Americans were supposed to be the egotists.

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            If we are being pedantic, technically you should use a space to separate the thousands (e.g. $27 000), as this avoids the ambiguity.

            If we ignore that and only focus on comma (,) and period (.) decimal notations, then period for decimals would win out, as the larger majority of the world population use it. So $27,000.00 would be the correct way.

            But until the whole world agrees on one, we are stuck with multiple, so you can just rub your two brain cells together and realise that the 3 trailing zeroes probably mean it is in the thousands (along with the rest of the context).

            (no shade at the original comment, which was clearly tongue in cheek, idk why it is downvoted lol it was funny)

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              technically you should use a space to separate the thousands (e.g. $27 000), as this avoids the ambiguity

              But who has time for &nbsp in their lives?

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              (e.g. $27 000)

              Ok so they’re winning $27, but I thought it was filmed in America, not Australia. Shouldn’t that be $27 911?

              /s, obviously.

              But more seriously, yeah a space is brilliant. But you shouldn’t use U+0020, the space you get when you press spacebar. It’s awkwardly wide for this purpose, and more importantly it can break the number over two lines if it happens to line up that way.

              The best alternative is U+202F, which is both narrower and non-breaking. Wikipedia claims that the official SI recommended character for thousands separation is U+2009, the thin but breaking space, but I read their source and did not see this supported. It seemed to just say space, without specifying which type of space. There is of course also U+00A0, the no-break normal-width space. Any of these would be better than U+0020.

              The problem is them being difficult to type, which is probably why most people tend towards the comma instead. It’s automatically non-breaking and doesn’t have the awkward wideness of U+0020.

              Incidentally, SI specifically allows for either the comma or the point to be used as the decimal separator. As long as the thousands separator is a space, this can introduce no ambiguity.

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                  Why not?

                  I didn’t have the specific Unicode codes memorised. Those I found on Wikipedia. But the knowledge that there exist spaces of different sizes and the non-breaking space just comes out of my general interest in computers across the board.

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                    I assumed you had it all memorized like some kind of warez ASCII NFO creator.

                    I only have alt-255 whitespace memorized from my ultima7 cheating days

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                Yeah, but aint nobody got time for that. Just hit the spacebar.

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              If we are being pedantic, technically you should use a space to separate the thousands

              Exactly. Space doesn’t introduce confusion no matter what sign is used as decimal separator. It’s a such a simple, elegant solution, world would be a better place if people were acrually using it.

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        I’m not even American, just used the same notation as in the article.

        Seems to still be confusing based on the comments, go figure.