Not just psr capita. US has the largest prison population period

Your explanation of your beliefs just proved me right. My thoughts about you didn’t come from my ass they honestly came from Michael Parenti Black Shirts and Reds

All governments are authoritarian, its a useless word. I didn’t make that up either. Its from Engels On Authority

Totalitarian is a bullshit concept invented during the Cold War to conflate fascism with communism, similar to double genocide theory, to use against communist states. To say its inherent to communism is like saying killing 10 gorillion dead, Vuvvezzuula, no food, no iphone, is inherent to communism.

You believe these things because you’re a left anti-communist. You can say that you arent, and then continue to describe to us all the ways that you are again if you want.

And, you know, that gets me thinking…

No, no it hasn’t gotten you thinking. If we share values, then why do you attack us. There’s more than once where you’ve popped off saying something weird directed at us. If you think our differences are reconcilable, why not lead with that?

Instead you started with TRIGGER WORD, and some comment about us being the same as fascists by saying we’re like Hannah Montana or something. Then you dicked around flinging out your straw mans and ad hominems and no true scotsmans instead of telling us about your ideology or making a real critique about ours.

Your posts are “just sharing your opinion”

Our posts are “aggressive”

Pure lib shit.

We’re sharing our opinions, because of the things you said. Maybe you’re not looking for “fights,” but you know how to start them

Polarization is clarifying. It drives away fascists which protects their targets and makes spaces safe for them. It also exposes people who would more readily share spaces with fascists and just ignore them than with the people who oppose them.

If it drives away people like you who ignore fascism, yet want to argue that opposing it is immature, then that’s a bonus

And yet here you are failing.

Great to hear that the targets of fascism “can do whatever they want.” They don’t have a choice in the matter of being a target, unlike you obviously.

I’ve already told you this but our goal isn’t to change fascists minds. Its to drive them away, to shame them. To not allow them to spew their bullshit or attack their targets without resistance.

Pushing fascists out of our spaces is the only way people whose existence is targeted by fascism can actually “do whatever they want.”

I don’t think elections hold a lot of promise of fixing anything. I think Manchin and Sinema are exactly where their party wants them. I don’t think that this legislation failing is something that the Biden Admin or the DNC are against.

I think they’re happy about it, and thats why there’s no discipline exerted on either of them. That’s what i meant by you making an extraordinary claim about party discipline. Theres no party discilple or reprisals because the party doesn’t care about this legislation. They like having these scapegoats. The Democratic Party leadership does not share your view, that these people shouldn’t be there. That’s why elections in this system will not fix it

I don’t spend most of my life fighting with people on the internet over politics.

You won’t push back on fascists, but you can’t shut up when pushing back against people who believe in pushing back fascism.

cause more radicalization

Its been pointed out multiple times now that this is literally a fascist talking point. Pushing back against fascism is not what makes people fascist. In fact its how we protect the targets of fascism on shared spaces online or off.

As has also been pointed out to you some people just existing is seen as an incitement by fascists. What are they supposed to do? They can’t just ignore threats and the invalidation of their humanity. That you can shut your eyes to that says a lot about you.

If they can’t control him then they’ve already functionally lost a seat (unless of course, they actually like having him block legislation they don’t actually want to pass)

Parties exert control on their members in this country, they always have, and generally not through violence or torture. Usually its through taking away party support from them and their personal agenda. It could be attacking political pork to West Virginia, close military or other government facilities there, and support challengers/kick him out of the party so he can’t run on their ticket. It could possibly include more strong-arm tactics, not violence, not even anything necessarily illegal, that’s speculative but possible.

What you’re asking people to explain, is something that is the norm. You’re the one actually making an outrageous claim of how do we expect a political party to control and discipline its members. And pretending that the Democratic Party or the President just have no power in this situation is ludicrous

But what about mah civility and norms?!?!

Actually political parties can and should enforce political discipline on their members, and there should be reprisals for going against the party and its leadership.

But the reality is, letting Manchin trash this legislation is probably more the plan than an opposition to it

You non-sequitur-ed, you double straw man-ed, you red herring-ed. Its not pedantic unless its from the pedant region of France. This is just sparkling smugness.

Ipso facto absurdeum, Checkmate tankie

I’m sorry that you couldn’t comprehend my post, i was being pretty clear. You’re one of those western left anti-communists. You dont support actually existing socialist states. You think the men and women of the world who have fought revolutions and built real world socialist projects did it, or are doing it wrong. People like that usually have admiration for socialists who failed to bring a project into the real world, where their actions could be critiqued, where mistakes can happen and be visible, because only projects that aren’t real can live up to your idealist vision of socialism.

Mocking you for logic pedantry, and reddit debate bro bullshit to be fair is technically unrelated from your “ideology.” But there’s an obvious connection to how people who don’t find actual real world socialist projects worth supporting would also be into flinging thise terms around like anyone outside of online debate perverts would care

i know! I can’t help but wonder what were in the discarded drafts

And then they broke out the logic pedant terms

So you’re one of those people that only support socialists who lose. Not a lot of room to talk about hypocrisy then, that’s your whole ideology. Makes sense you’re also into using logic pedant terms

Except, sometimes they are very much liberals

A stone cold classic

You straw mann-ed, you ad hominem-ed, you no true scotsmann-ed, then you mot and bailey-ed

Checkmate to you and your ilk tankie. And its hilarious, btw lol, lmao even