I did. When The site administration sided with racists nazis I was glad to leave. I got perma-banned for saying “Ork is a dehumanizing racial slur. Calling Russians ‘Ork’ is racist hate speech.” Occasionally I open a recent link and I nearly always regret it.

I thought different languages had all the same words they just swapped the letters.

This is what living in a city does to a mfer. Everyone knows its the trees swinging their branches makes the wind.

I gave up after the 2nd episode of the second season. It felt like the person running the show actually hated the books. It felt like sabotage.

still not sure if an occasion for every emoji tho

“Complaining as a form of Treat” and you know what Libs do when their is a threat to their treats. They punch down and left.

I think they were the first environmental activist assastinsred in the US.

That we know of.

also

The witcher is pretty bad.

“Yes” doesn’t go far enough.

A Yes vote manufactures consent. It is saying “this is good enough” It allows Racists cover. A No result opens the nation up to well deserved ridicule. Our government will never do what is right unless they are bullied extensively and made to feel shame. Half measures like this amendment allow them to skate along with no action. We need anti-Racists to be angry. We need a real movement that demands real change not a pacified voter base that accepts platitudes.

The makeup of the body is not defined clearly enough.

No it is defined perfectly well. It is explicitly defined as being subject to parliament which is NOT enshrined in the constitution. The amendment offers no protections beyond its existence. It is a underhanded insult to indigenous peoples who stated clearly that they want an Indigenous Voice to Parliament Enshrined in the constitution.

The “Journey together toward healing and reconciliation” was supposed to start 48 years ago with Gough Whitlam. It was supposed to start with the National Apology 24 years ago, with the closing the gap program 13 years ago. The colonial government will keep throwing ineffectual policy at voters as long as we keep gobbling them up.

The idea of the article in the constitution is to describe what the body is for, and the details can be adjusted as needed.

Sure but couldn’t they have at least put is some protections for the voice? Something like “it can only be modified once every 10 years” or “requires 2/3rds majority to change.” Something, anything that gives the voice an edge against our reactionary government?

The voice could have been legislated into existence first and then tweaked before making a constitutional amendment. This was a suggestion with lots of support before the referendum was called. If the voice was a concrete thing the referendum wouldn’t be subject to emotional debate based on speculation. Making the voice first and then enshrining it might take longer to get it enshrined but it would be quicker to get it started and once it was in the constitution the fight would be over. Doing the refferemdum first makes the fight last indefinitely because the legislation will always be under threat. This was a deliberate choice by the ruling class because they will give up the illusion of power but they will never give up their right to take the power back.

I disagree with your opinions they are vibes based and not based on historical evidence. Expecting members of the government to work against their own self interests is silly.

The Voice will be independent of the Government of the day.

Not True.

the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

Hexbear deny genocides

What? who? No. We deny alleged genocides that lack supporting evidence like the Uyghur “genocide” created by Zenz the cristo-fascist and Nazi sympathiser. We also deny the labelling of the Holodomor as genocide because it was caused by selfish kulak farmers resisting collectivization by burning crops and killing livestock and effected many ethnicities including Russians.

I don’t disagree with most of what you said but if you think a Yes vote is going to change the status quo you are going to be disappointed. The referendum passing will do as much for the next generation as “Closing the gap” did for this one only the lack of action will be blamed on the Voice not on the government.

fair enough

The solution is simple. Do what the Uluru statement says. Make a voice for Indigenous Peoples that is enshrined in the constitution.

Don’t settle for a cardboard cut out version of the voice. Be angry that the racists running your country would try to lie to you to pretend that this will fix things. Be mad that they would waste so much money and time and effort to do a performative gesture. Tell them you are angry.

Do you expect Oil companies and Coal miners to stop pollution on their own? Why would you expect the colonial government operating on stolen land to actually force themselves to have accountability to the very people who they are stealing from? Voting Yes for the current amendment is just encouraging the poor behaviour. Its enabling the quiet racists and helping them hide.

Our government needs to be bullied and harassed until they have no choice to do what is right. They will not do it voluntarily. If they pass this referendum they will act like their last place participation ribbon in the anti-racism olympics is a world record setting gold medal and they will never strive anything better.

Lets just say he has some problematic ideas. He has been involved in professions prone to causing extensive brain damage. I’m not going to say his entire opinion is wrong but he uses buzz words and phrases that are common is far-right and conspiracy theory circles.

There are more qualified people who have good credibility like Lidia Thorpe who’s arguments are well formed and don’t inadvertently reference less reputable ideas.

I’ve explained extensively why the referendum rubbish elsewhere in the thread. I can’t enlighten you if you refuse to pull your head out of where the sun doesn’t shine.

I mean Mundie isn’t the greatest person to link to.

You can be pro-Voice and anti referendum. The issue is that the proposed amendment is offensively ineffectual.

Claiming that the progressive NO has no path forward is intellectually dishonest. Just because you don’t know what it is doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

“Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a racist even the Aboriginal Australians”