I appreciate you taking feedback on board, and I apologise if I was harsh about this and I didn’t mean for this to be aimed at you individually. It was a general frustration with general decision making and communication. It’s not the first time I’ve raised this and I care about Lemmy, it just gets frustrating when it feels the feedback is getting stonewalled.
I appreciate the position on consideration of refederation. it does make sense to consider it post 0.19.
So I suggested how you could do comms better, and also a sensible approach to defederation decisions, and that is your response.
Rather than thinking, “oh, is there some way we can do this better?”, just get defensive and blame the person giving feedback.
It’s human to err, but to refuse to learn, well that’s quiet something… I had expected a more mature response.
Considering my original point was about how users on Lemmy were an after thought. Not worth factoring in to decision or consulting, you sure aren’t really do a good job refuting it…
Lemmy world was the instance I originally joined when the whole exodus kicked off and others closed their doors. I was very grateful and had enormous good will for it. I never expected in the space of several months to have 180’d on it…
I don’t need to and I choose not to use reddit or twitter. lemm.ee are doing a great job. lemmy.ml is also a great option. It’s a shame that they’re nailing it better than world is.
Was a topic labelled 0.19 upgrade and something along the lines of “0.19 has been released by Lemmy. We are going to be waiting a few weeks to see the stability of this. Once we are satisfied, we will update here with more information.”
And “due to certain federation bugs, we are going to hold back on upgrade to 0.19 until these are ironed out, we will update when we plan to do this”.
It’s not hard, and it seems like you’re coming up with excuses rather than considering feedback…
Hexbear defederation happened before they even federated. No consultation, or discussion, just “oh, we decided to do this, and whether you care or not, ah well”. lemm.ee had a post, reasons for, against and welcomed the communities view on this. Maybe you guys need to check them out and learn from them. I think it’s only 1 guy too, so probably more than repeatable as a process…
Considering this is the most staffed and resourced instance, you’d expect a reasonable standard.
"I’m sure many of you fine folks have been wondering why we have not upgraded to version 0.19.X yet.
The whole team here has been getting asked this question quite a bit, from both members of the community and other instance admins. We want everyone to know, YES, we will upgrade to version 0.19."
The issue here was never that decision, which on the whole seems sensible. It was the lack of comms. If there had been an announcement of that plan or delayed after say a week or 2, you’d probably have less of those questions. Users are stakeholders, and talking only to devs and other instance runners while ignoring users shows the level of respect you have for the users of the instance…
The ironic thing, is the communication and openness at the start was the best thing about Lemmy.World, and then later down the line, it just became an after event to communicate to users. “Decided to defederate x, y and z on Discord.”. Silence on attacks for months, and silence on upgrade plans.
There is many roles on Lemmy.World, and communications probably needs more focus…
A bit delayed, but you posted in fuck cars, about why car disincentive schemes are a cash grab. It wasn’t about Fox news.
I mean, I don’t disagree with you that if you don’t use the proceeds to help the planet or infrastructure improvements for non-car users, it is just a cash grab, but you probably needs to be aware what community you’re on, and what the consensus view is. Saying that 4chan is for right wing racist kids on green text is going to get you swimming in downvotes. It doesn’t mean anything bad about you, or your view, it just means you probably weren’t fully aware of the context and probably are a little bit sensitive about downvotes. Karma does not matter here, and disagreements and downvotes mean people care about what you say, even if it’s in a disagreeable way.
I don’t agree with your take, but I appreciate you being here. :)
But the people who shoehorn Linux into every conversation are also the ones who spend more time finding acceptance online rather than actually being “friends” with people IRL. Tbh, I have you coined for a stereotype I know and I apologize about that. I can’t help it. I just know mfers who talk like you are commenting so my bad if I attach opinions to you, I really don’t mean to. That’s why I’m trying to ask questions.
Can you give an example of people shoehorning Linux into conversations? Usually the only comment I see is already on Linux, and it’s the Arch btw’s, which is a meme in itself. Maybe you need to search for subs you like, and subscribe to them, and have subscribed as the default view. All may not be your cup of tea, like all was never my cup of tea on reddit. You’re not always going to be in the majority view, and that is fine.
The thing is, most western governments are pushing towards facial recognition and monitoring without the need for a warrant. Most countries are already stacked up to the eyeballs with CCTV (UK for example, and hooking that in with facial recognition is dangerous). First they start off with it being for terrorists, then paedophiles, then other criminals, but ultimately, it’s monitoring everyone to track down a few. When you have that infra in place, and you don’t have sufficient oversight, you can soon tweak that towards activist groups, then opposition groups etc.
You have to challenge it before the infrastructure goes in, because after it’s in, it’s already too late.
I don’t see why not. There is a difference between an off chance of someone noticing you vs. camera’s with high accuracy recognising your face and being able to track your locations, what places you visited and who with for every minute of every day.
Manjaro. I’ve never known a distro break as much as this.
I generally don’t like to judge distro’s, because they’ve all got pros and cons. With Manjaro, the pros column is pretty empty :).
Because what lithium ion battery last forever? They’re well degraded after a few years.
How did ee, and sh.itjust.works grow? Because they were open. You have a short memory if you don’t remember how many instances closed, during API blackout.
I didn’t want to pick an instance that was running on a thinkpad that would get switched off when someone got bored.
Federation was confusing for many. Many used the join Lemmy website and options that were general purpose open instances that were English speaking and open were not huge. People made decisions in a short period of time and many went with world, ee, and sh.it. It isn’t baffling. It is also no shock that people set up communities where they register and may be big enough to survive. Who would create a community that disappears in 3 weeks.
You painting users as brainless sheep does nothing more than give you some feeling superiority. Maybe your fragile ego needs that. I’ll help if you need it. Congratulations, you’re so smart and clever. More so than most. Thanks for stepping on your soap box and imparting your wisdom/red hot takes upon us.
You don’t have to spend this much time getting them to defederate. This is lemmy.world. Just mention there are LGBTQIA+ communists, and it’ll be defederated before you hit the post button (see Hexbear for more information).
(Obviously this is a legitimate defederation request and needs to be taken seriously).
ee wasn’t big originally, but it was one of the few instances that were big enough to not dissappear, run by a competent sys admin, and small enough to not be affected by the big instance performance challenges, while keep registrations open when many instances shut the door on newcomers. Basically, ee, sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world were there main options for people moving across. Their sensible stewardship has led to growth, and trust is why it has kept growing.
Federation means people can choose, and they do. It doesn’t mean everything will be exactly the same size and stay small. An instance needs good sysadmin who will investigate issues an liase with dev teams to get them fixed. People will gravitate to those instances run by talented devs.
There is most definitely a circus, but absolutely no fun to be found here.
I resurrected: Degoogle!degoogle@lemmy.ml and have been trying to grow it a bit.
It was on 3.56k subscribers and 152 active monthly users on 21/7/23. 117 posts.
Now 4.54k, 333 active monthly users, 135 posts.
Best techniques I found was reach out to larger subs in a similar area with similar interests, link to their communities in your description and ask if they could do the same to help users find what they like. Also crossposting is great from larger areas. You can see crossposts from the main post and it’s easy to click and deep dive into there. Crossposting about 3 posts which resonated with the users did most of the heavy lifting.
They’re not forcing you to be on the official mobile app? That’s nice of them :).
Appreciate the honesty and transparency. I imagine running this is a wee bit stressful, so sharing those lessons really helps to stick with it and appreciate the journey.
Oh, and an interesting follow on, if someone runs a technology consultancy, can they post about their business successes and issues? They’re in the tech business after all. Or is this simply limited to the who’s who of bad actors? The big, 3 4, 10, 15? What is the cut off?
Definitely would agree with this. The best of a bad bunch. I use it for nearly all my search.
Did see some sketchy stuff with the android app/browser so probably would avoid… and besides, I’m in a decades long relationship with firefox <3.
Always felt shifty with their marketing attempts “hey, this looks really cool. It has this extensive list of features. I’ve not tried it, what do you think?”.
Feels I was right to be skeptical. Email is sensitive information and not something you can quickly jump to new shiny thing in town. Proton mail is king for me, but at least Tuta been around a while.