MotorTrend noted one middleman/dealership tripled the price on a very basic F-150 Lightning: https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-f-150-lightning-ev-pickup-dealer-markups

Like, no product can survive that sort of scalper in the middle. Also, probably don’t ask a middleman to sell a new product and sell the well-established alternative to the new product. Recipe for failure, cunningly cooked.

I have a Chevrolet Volt, same EXACT situation.

Back hatch doesn’t unlock without power. So I got to contort my stupid ass over the back seats to get back there. Then you pull up the back bottom floor thingie, but god have mercy on your soul, it’s impossible to do because there’s no where else to put your body.

So yeah it was this whole Cirque Du Soleil act back there just to swap the battery.

Yeah, ditto. They’re stating June for final pricing announcement, and targeting “mid-twenties” for price atm.

The original Pinto Madness essay is worth a read, even just as a historical primary source:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness/

Interestingly, you’re right, I think. The Pinto wasn’t uniquely lethal, it was a vehicle with an obvious design flaw that horrifically killed people, but in a class of vehicle where that was weirdly common at the time.

The uncommon thing was that Lee Iacocca put things into writing like “Safety doesn’t sell” and actively de-prioritized safety, and THEN his Ford Motor Company pushed out the Ford Pinto.

But, w.r.t. the Tesla Cybertruck, the year is 2026, every single car on the road should be vastly safer than any 50-year-old subcompact deathtrap.

Treat yourself.

Slice it thin and fry it til it browns a little. Thank me later.

I drive the EV equivalent of a beater, and it’s really pretty nice, everything on it works!

So yeah, silver linings, Tesla fans are losing their shirts by buying new, and anyone on the market for used is enjoying a buyer’s market.

They seem to like blurring those lines. As though the agents being in danger is part of the goal.

Makes you wonder, what government wants the spark to ignite the powder keg? That would be like packing the Reichstag with flammable stuff and telling a local arsonist about it – OH.

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I may be from a hive of scum and villainy (southsiiiiide!), but also I have jumper cables, so back up while I take care of this.

For me, it’s the social piece that gets me - I have to go get talked at by a series of increasingly greasier dudes until eventually I reach the apex greaseball and he tries to con me out of as much money as he can steal

It’s a terrible system TBH XD

I test drove one… They’re really really nice!

Personally, the used market has collapsed, but that’s also sort of a good thing if you’re shopping used.

I had thought about the incentive angle. New EV buyers get a doubly hard pitch, because the used stock has the rebate priced in (neither the buyer nor seller views it as a car worth the MSRP, they both deduct the rebate).

I bought a Chevy PHEV with ~150,000 miles to daily drive with, and ya know, when it dies it dies. It was a few grand, it was the cheapest I could get and shockingly decent for the price, so I am that person in the electric beater XD

If the car will make it to 200,000 miles, you’d expect a used one with 95,000 miles to be worth ~50% of original sales price.

And that’s just the baseline. Some vehicles hold value exceptionally well, like my Toyota Tacoma, the used prices are absurd, it’s worth something crazy like 75%+ what we paid for it in 2021.

Not so for a lot of EVs. I threw 3 examples into the article (Audi e-Tron, Dodge Charger Daytona, and then I guess the Ioniq 6 itself, the sporty ones with a speed markup). It’s newsworthy just because it’s unusual, it’s like the used market is saying something about the vehicle is not worth what the manufacturer thought it was worth on day one.

Pretty sure you’re joking, but I am who I am, so I got to do the math.

Here, Edmunds has a really crisp infographic. By the Edmunds used car depreciation percentages, this Hyundai should be worth about ~65% of what it originally sold for, but instead it is being sold for half as much: https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/how-fast-does-my-new-car-lose-value-infographic.html

Seems weird, right? My working theory is that EVs are being overvalued by the manufacturers with inflated MSRPs, and that the used market sort of reveals fair-market value in an unexpected way.

ICCU issue would be covered by recall if this unit was impacted. Recalls are listed on the Carfax, along with a repaired-already/not-repaired flag.

It has a single unrepaired recall… for a loose charging cap cover :)

I’m not a great automotive journalist, but I do try!

If you wouldn’t pay 1/3rd of MSRP for a car with about 1/2 the lifetime mileage left in it, you’re sort of proving why it’s newsworthy. A used ICE vehicle in the same condition would be snapped up with that pricing. Depreciation like that matters to folks when the product costs ~$40-50K new.

Yea nah the good parts of the pig, those they sell in far better cuts XD

Spam is all that’s left over but the squeal, and then, sawdust or whatever they use to retain the water.

… Have a nice one :D

Snap mathematics, I see you’re at about negative 200 karma on this thread, so like, what “everyone else” thinks is fairly obvious.

Doesn’t mean you can’t like your car, though! Buy another if you want one. There’ll be no shortage on the Tesla lot.

It’s just silly to claim that old bag is innovative. Nobody reasonable’s going to agree with you.

This post goes so hard XD

I appreciate your unreasonable level of commitment to the bit 🫡

Any Cadillac for Sentry Mode (it’s called Surround Vision Recorder, and unlike Tesla, it’s not constantly narcing on you, it’s locally stored). I’m sure others have equivalents, that’s just the one I know off the top of my head.

Any… car… for keyless entry. That’s literally more common than using a key in a new vehicle.

I drive a Chevy, can confirm, the door latches consistently work even when the power goes out (which is frequent LOL)