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i kinda fuck with nuclear proliferation.

i uh.

I don’t drink coffee.

personally, this cycle the best thing i have under my belt is karma.

I hope republicans/conservatives have to learn their lesson the hard way around.

yeah, and nothing changed that, people are still living paycheck to paycheck.

Now if you can find stats of MORE people living paycheck to paycheck (which do exist) that would be more convincing, but even then the underlying truth is still that it’s going to take time for things to improve, as well as inflation can’t be undone. So prices are at a new normal.

makes me happy seeing politically intelligent people in the thread here.

These type of threads always suck for the first few days to a week though lmao.

(yes, also among republicans, see the recent ballot measures in Missouri on paid sick leave and higher minimum wage, for example)

this IS true, but it is not true among left leaning candidates. Just look at florida. People are way too functionally stupid to do anything in line with what they actually want.

I believe there is even some older data to support this, something along the lines of “people like welfare they don’t know they’re paying for, but when they know they’re paying for it, they don’t want to”

It’s not the fact that the Harris campaign asks us to pretend everything is hunky spunky with the economy,

as far as economic measures go, it is. Inflation is still fucking people over, but the popular sentiment sort of lags the economy. But just because inflation is brutal on goods, doesn’t mean that inflation is high, or that the economy is “struggling” it’s just that people don’t feel good about rising tides. Until they start to lower. (which they can’t do)

it’s just a human psych thing.

yeah, cuz it’s marketable lmao. They publicized a lot of things.

and so did putin? Who gives a fuck who endorses what.

you should tell your mom that shes a whore lmao.

Give her ass a reality check

anybody ever notice how republicans talk about all the hope and positivity at trump rallies?

Curious right?

The answer is simple, it’s the only place they feel those two emotions, they literally do not experience it anywhere else, it’s a cult.

I disagree, it’s their right to cast (or not cast) their vote how they choose. If someone chose not to vote for Harris because they didn’t want even their small part in the Genocide, I don’t blame the voter for having a conscience. I blame the Democrats for not giving them a different option, especially considering their opponent.

you’re wrong though. Just because you didn’t actively vote for the candidate, doesn’t mean you didn’t do anything. In some capacity, you would have rathered the chance that donald trump win, then you help harris to win. Which means by proxy, as with harris, you are complicit in “the genocide” or whatever other talking point you can fill into that blank (it works with everything, might as well generalize it lmao)

Let’s say, there are three people, one of them is me, the other is you, and the third is just some person. I have a knife, i tell you very explicitly, that i am going to stab this person. And instead of you doing anything, because you don’t know who this person is, and have no reason to care about them, you just close your eyes and plug your ears until after i’ve stabbed them already. There is no moral framework to which you can ascribe yourself as a “neutrally uninvolved party” in this incident.

I don’t understand why the voters have to always sacrifice their concerns and wants, but the party doesn’t. All Harris had to do was not basically mirror Biden’s policy on Israel, and she couldn’t do it. That’s a failure on the Democrats, not the voters.

because that’s how the system works? If you have small concerns you go to small local elections, and vote in primaries, the two things that actually influence this (nobody votes in the primary btw) the federal government is highly irrelevant to you in most scenarios. You really shouldn’t give a fuck about most of what it’s doing, just that it generally aligns with your principles. And if it’s not perfect, as we say in the field of engineering “it’s better barely functional, than non existent”

This is what a lot of the voting base is tired of hearing. Through their inaction (whether it’s justified or not), Democrats have made the majority of voters apathetic.

well, then i’m sorry, but you kinda deserve whatever is going to happen to you as a party demographic.

So every election season, almost nothing has improved for the average person

yeah, it’s the federal government, what are they going to do? Tuck you in at night before you go to sleep? They’re not your mother. If they’re functioning as intended you shouldn’t even be thinking about them.

And how did that pan out for her? The Democrats keep trying this centrist-moderate policy, and they keep losing, and instead of trying to go left, they just go further right.

i think it worked out well, if you look at the rhetoric online, and the rally turnouts, it’s pretty clear it went pretty well onsite. The problem was getting a general voter turnout from the useless mess that is the dem voter demographic.

so why are you trying to win over moderates instead of rally new support?

very few people are politically engaged to the point where they care about anything outside of just “i voted” they know almost nothing, so broadening your potential voter base has a massive implication on potential turnout. The problem i think, is that the dem party has an entitlement of being better than everybody else, and it ends up clubbing itself over the head in turnout over this.

But even then, why not now? How is promising Americans another paid federal holiday a bad idea during a campaign?

could be any number of reasons, as for the holiday, the answer is obvious. “REALLY THE BEST YOU DO IS A FUCKING HOLIDAY?” would be like, half the media. and republicans would immediately call it communism. The second you promise anything, you let down 60% of the voter base because they all have a really specific vision for what they want, when we should all be coalescing in agreement on a broad political ideology, and worry about the actual politics later in office. (or earlier in the chain)

Voting rights have been a major topic over the last few years, where were her policies on enshrining the right to vote and stop these voter purges we’ve been seeing?

specifically, it’s a states rights issue, the federal government has very little control over voting jurisdiction in states, if arizona wants to make it illegal for black people to vote, they can, but the AZ supreme court would likely rule it unconstitutional, and it would most likely be challenged in the federal supreme court later on.

Realistically the most we can do federally is mail in voting, but even that requires cooperation, and maybe a federal voter ID to appease republicans and provide a secondary form of federal identification that isn’t an SSN. If you want to do ANYTHING in regards to voting on a state level, it pretty much has to be done at a state level.

so why can’t Democrats lie to try to help people?

because we’re unconscionably good faith. We need to stop being like this, or at the very least, draw lines in the sand, and fucking destroy the conservative media empire (probably with another media empire, just without all of the disinfo propaganda) I’ve said it before, and i’ll say it again, the dem party is the victim in a physically abusive relationship with the republican party. We need to recognize this and fucking leave. (although we can’t really leave, we have to win instead)

The Dems never seem to make any meaningful attempt to move us forward, and if they do, it’s handicapped because they have to compromise and work across the aisle.

to be clear, biden has done a lot of really good things in his admin, the IRA and infra bill notably. Tons of funding for things like the CHIPS act, and a handful of other things, numerous border bills that would’ve been productive, but were killed by republicans. It’s not “aesthetic legislation” but it’s pretty damn good legislative regardless. The biden admin will probably go down as one of the most productive admins in US history.

they did not feel like the economy was working for them, etc.

this is literally just recency bias (and inconvenient timing) there’s nothing you can do about this, especially when the republicans are literally running a propaganda machine akin to the nazi regime. The best option i’ve come up with thus far is that we just really need to commit to winning as a party. We have to do what we can to be as productive as possible, and that means leaving behind everything tangentially relevant (for a little bit at least)

And Democrats ignored it and kept trying to shove their figures and metrics down our throat, completely disregarding how people felt, and just expecting them to get over it.

the problem is that the figures are accurate, and what the people feel is literally delusional. People feel as if their 401ks were higher under trump, than they are now under biden.

This is literally impossible, it cannot happen (unless you withdraw money) what are we supposed to do against schizophrenic “vibes and feels” There is nothing we can do, facts and figures are rooted in reality, at least. That’s the one thing we have right now.

When you run to the right, and the people who like right-wing policies already have a party giving them the policies they want, they’re not gonna switch parties, and you’re just going to alienate the parts of your base/coalition that are affected by those policies.

the harris campaign was not right wing, idk why you’re just making this shit up, there are more political ideologies aside from socialism and communism you know this right?

the problem here is not that they’re criticizing the candidate, nobody cares. The problem here is that they have rather minor inconsequential issues with the candidate, and they’re not pledging to vote, hoping that candidate 2 electric boogaloo magically shows up and solves all of their problems or something.

if you have problems with the harris admin, sure that’s fine, but you can’t sit there and go “idk if i should vote for her” knowing that trumps admin is going to be 10x worse in literally every aspect.

People hate it, but it’s just true. You would rather elect some drunkard homeless dude than hitler, if given the chance.

Actively insulting people who want to be on your side but are finding it difficult to support someone who is part of an administration that is actively funding a genocide.

ok to be clear, this is an extremely charitable statement. They don’t want to be on our side, they want us to be on their side. That’s why they aren’t voting. If they wanted to be on our side, they would just vote, because that’s all they would have to do.

Those people, in my opinion, pushed voters away by completely ignoring their concerns and telling them they are fucking stupid if they don’t vote democrat.

these people are what we call single issues voters, now say it with me, single issues voters are fucking useless.

to be clear, if you cut off you finger while making food or something (can be literally any example) and you ask me to take you to the hospital (on account of no longer having a finger) and i hand you a towel on the way out to the car, you aren’t going to stand there and go “well, hold on a minute now, why did you hand me a towel? I didn’t get wet, i just cut off my finger?” To which i would respond with “because you’re bleeding everywhere.”

and to be clear, i’m a political nihilist, if you don’t want to vote because you don’t care, that’s fine, whatever, just don’t come crying to me when the grim reaper shows up on your doorstep asking for a moment to chat. Either you accept the outcome of the election as is, or you fucking vote. Those are your options.

and you’d be the stupidest person in the room if you did.

the military might be the only thing that stops him. Hence why i didn’t include it.

But i have no idea. Literally every other duty, and every other branch will be under the whims of the stupidest person in america right now.

the pandemic was really the only significant player here, since it stopped world trade.

Sure russia is a fair example, but here in the US we barely felt it, and we did pretty quickly close up the trade problems.

i’m sure countries are moving away from it, and ensuring industry a bit, that’s not surprising, it happens everytime. It’s going to get outsourced later eventually. And they’re not going to onshore every single industry either, it’s simply not possible.

honestly idk, that might have lead to increased turnout, but i think primarily because it’s “not the biden admin”

it would’ve also helped if they got out earlier, i think.

Yeah we know trump is awful, but in the end we could buy more stuff under trump than we can now and that’s all we really care about so we voted for him anyway.

if this is true, and this is how you vote, you deserve whatever happens to you in life.

If someone lures you under a bridge, and then kills you, i won’t care, you lacked any critical thought processing to be able to stop it.

It’s harsh, but true.

(hi mods, this isn’t a personal attack, i’m making a point through satire)

unless you have significant polling data that shows like at least 30% of the left being socialist or commie or something, i really doubt this was significant.

The economy is ALWAYS, FUCKING ALWAYS, the driving force behind the general public’s vote.

this is probably the best answer, but then this would primarily apply among righties, and centrists, not lefties, who simply didn’t really turn out in any significant number. Which would be weird, i think they would be far more galvanized to vote for the leftist in that scenario but idk. Also trumps policy is just, unironically terrible, if any of these people are informed even a little bit, this should be so incredibly obvious to them.

Some exit polls asked what emotions voters felt when they voted. The bi-partisan answer was overwhelmingly anger.

makes sense honestly, but i don’t see why this would kill turnout, unless it implies that dems would literally just seethe in a pile of their own shit instead of like, vote.

In 2020, Harris wasn’t well liked and didn’t primary well. She may have done her job well as VP, but the public didn’t know about it.

the 2020 campaign is an interesting, one, and it probably didn’t help. Certainly not with the rhetoric.

She and her campaign didn’t even communicate what she was doing. When she was “anointed,” that turned off many democrats.

i think this makes sense, but again i’m having trouble figuring out how “apathy towards the candidate” and ferocious anger against the alternative, somehow leads to the outcome of not voting at all. Maybe moderate lefties are sympathetic to trump, but i genuinely don’t think that’s possible.

TLDR The DNC are master fuckups

i broadly agree, but i include the democrats as well. I’ve had a few stints with people who are mad at the system, and then put no responsibility or blame on themselves, which is incredibly rich. I think the dem party has a significant problem with entitlement over votes. We’re like the rich white kid that gets whatever he wants, we just pout when things don’t go our way and and expect it to change, and then it doesnt. I think we need a reality check as a party (we just got it, hopefully) and a restructuring, and most importantly we all need to suck it up, and get over ourselves, and do what we need to do to protect the values of democracy (mostly liberalism)