Nah, you haven’t experienced shrek until you’ve seen it the way it was intended: on the GBA.

Funny when you belong somewhere where you belong right?

I’m pretty sure what he doesn’t like is people just dumping on it, which makes sense because we’re not hanging out in a place to dump on star trek. Discussion is another thing entirely.

Personally, I think it had a lot of problems to begin with, and i’m glad they soldiered on through at least for the Spock season because damn did it give our older characters a lot more depth. You know, the depth that you feel in them but wasn’t explicitly there? Makes Spock’s internal struggles and relationships make so much more sense, and sets Pike up perfectly as the absolute idol of all the captains we’ve seen. Like they’re trying to live up to him, each in their own way, but none of them have really gotten to know the guy. Recontextualized the whole thing for me, in a good way. Lots to think about.

Anyway, i’ve talked with him about that stuff, and some of the problems with it and that’s the impression I got.

Agreed. I think the actual problem people have is that it’s not just placeholder characters. They have depth and motivations and yeah, they’re normal people, whether you like it or not. They’re not there as token representation or to push a specific plot point. They just are. It’s like star trek has moved on from showcasing how humanity could be different overall, to showcasing how things could be different for individual people if other people would just stop being dicks about every little thing. They don’t have to push as hard, but there’s more depth to the representation.

And it’s a great example of how viable lemmy is as an alternative. Not sure about random subs, but any of the really nerdy ones could make the jump.

It’s wild to me that I have friends who say dis is too woke because it has real gay, trans, autistic, etc. characters, but they love TNG. Really? You sure forgot a lot of the episodes.