The party says who is on the ballot…

I really don’t think a significant amount of voters would write in Biden over any listed Dem.

the dangerous Trump argument is absolutely not one to be downplayed

Which is why it’s so bad Biden insists on staying in the race.

If he thought beating trump was the most important thing, he’d have announced years ago that he wouldn’t run again.

But he’ll never stand down. Because he wants a second term more than stopping trump from having a second.

And people realizing Biden is risking that for his own ego, makes him even less likely to stop trump.

Historically “vote for me or else” doesn’t work well

We know what works to motivate Dem voters: young, charismatic, and progressive sounding candidates.

We can’t get that to stop trump, because 82 year old Biden won’t retire.

The worst part is trump has been exactly the same the last three elections.

His bullshit is normalized to most voters.

Biden wasn’t great in 2020, but he’s a hell of a lot worse now. Which is why we never see him compared to other presidents when they were in office.

So for Republicans last night went fucking perfectly. And for Dems, it went about as bad as it could have.

There’s just no reason to run a candidate voters don’t like or agree with just because the other candidate is so much worse. Even if we stop the worst, we still don’t get what we want.

None of it makes logical sense, which is probably why Biden’s few supporters only want to talk about how dangerous trump is. It’s really really hard to come up with a reason Biden should be the candidate. Even being an incumbent doesn’t matter when you have terrible approval ratings, those make incumbency a hindrance not an advantage

Remember when we had functional adults running for president?

Feels like lifetimes ago, but it only stopped being a thing when Trump showed up and Dem leadership decided we don’t need to find a good candidate anymore.

Biden and the people he appointed to head the DNC don’t have to be the people running the DNC…

We can replace them and have a functional leftwing party again.

It’s not quick, and it’s not painless, but it’s possible.

That’s not going to stop trump.

What will stop trump is running a good candidate.

But Biden and the people he appointed to run the DNC would rather trump win than Biden step aside for the good of the country

most people don’t have a visceral horror of fascism

No the problem is instead of:

Fascists vs non-fascist

We get:

Fascists vs slightly less fascist

That’s not good enough to win elections. It’s not a binary choice between 0 and 1, it’s 0.5 and 1.

Republicans will vote Republican no matter what.

Dem voters have always needed a candidate they like and/or agree with to turnout en mass and get the Dem elected.

It makes zero sense to keep blaming Dem voters for having standards instead of blaming party leaders for continuingly shoving candidates we don’t like down our throats.

There is zero reason to keep pushing unpopular candidates.

But because we all held our noses for Biden 4 years ago, he got to nominate DNC leadership and he picked idiots who say Biden is our only shot.

Holding our noses and voting for a candidate whose not for basic parts of the party platform, just moves the party platform and makes it even harder to get votes the next election.

TLDR:

The dystopian hellscape set in the future isn’t as dystopian as current reality…

In his first presidential primary in 1988, Biden was the front runner despite his youth because he was wildly regarded as one of the best public speakers in the country and he was (at the time) charismatic.

Then he started yelling at reporters about how high his IQ was after they found out he plagiarized speeches plagiarized work in law school, and lied about his grades and class standing.

Because he got over his childhood stutter. In childhood.

What’s happening now isn’t a stutter. It’s 100% normal for an 82 year old.

That doesn’t mean an 82 year old is fit to be president, just that Biden acts how an 82 year old is expected to act. Because he’s 82 years old.

And it was also designed so that States would have most of the power, not the Federal government.

Yeah, but then we changed it because of the civil war…

The system was designed for the president to be a mostly performative figurehead. Then we gave the president real power, but left determination like the president didn’t matter.

So…

You don’t think it’s possible the DNC or Biden does the right thing to maximize our chances of beating trump?

The primary isn’t a real election. The DNC can just nominate someone else, they’ve been very open about it

And Biden can obviously just step aside.

Do you think they don’t care if trump wins? Or that they’d just rather that happen then a Dem candidate Dem voters want winning?

So…

To you, a link about how people can organize politically online…

Isn’t evidence that people can organize politically online?

Here’s the bad news - the primary is over

It’s not tho.

The convention is the end of the primary.

Biden appointed Jamie Harrison to the head of the DNC.

And Jamie Harrison set the convention for mid August.

If you don’t like it, go complain to them. But they picked when the primary was over.

Backed up with nothing but excuses and self-serving bullshit. You have zero evidence to back up your “claims” …

…

Wait…

So you want evidence that someone can use the Internet to organize politically?

I gotta admit, I didn’t see that coming.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357176371_Online_political_participation_the_evolution_of_a_concept

I’m willing to put the time in, I think we can do this. Please don’t hesitate to keep asking if you don’t get it yet.

You’re acting like convincing me means anything…

Biden needs to convince 10s of millions of people. Politicians like Obama and Bill Clinton could do that, but they were charismatic in addition to being the lesser of two evils.

It just makes zero sense to be running Biden.

If all that matters is beating trump, why force a candidate that supports genocide? Why is it ok for Dems if trump is worse? Why not at least someone that people like and is a good speaker?

Like, you understand someone slightly less bad as trump is still pretty fucking bad?

Where do you draw the line if you’ll support “some” genocide?

If it was trump VS Mitch McConnell who would you vote for? Would you finally realize it’s the parties that need voters, not voters that need parties?

Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse.

We’re talking about genocide tho…

We’re asking people to support “some” genocide, and that “some” is actually quite a fucking lot of genocide.

And we’re not just asking Americans to overlook that, we’re asking young Dem voters to overlook it. A demographic who historically doesn’t like that shit going back for pretty much the entire existence of the party.

It makes absolutely zero sense except if the party as an entity wants to be as conservative as possible so when the nation has such a serious risk as trump, instead of the easy win of a candidate dem.voters want, we get someone significantly more conservative than the party, 82 years old, and uncharismatic.

It’s like someone at the DNC bet on winning, but not to cover the spread. So they’re trying to win by the smallest majority possible.

https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating (39%). In the latest AP-NORC poll, nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach to the conflict

trump is worse than Biden, and only 26% agree with Biden…

You don’t think it’s worth talking about when a foreign country buys off both parties in a two party system so that no matter what happens their interests (in this case a genocide) would be protected and funded?

You don’t see how this could be happening to a lesser extent in other areas like banking, healthcare, employment, and even social issues that religions care about?

Carl’s Jr and Hardee’s are also two different things, but two things don’t have to be absolutely identical to be compared to each other. If they were, we wouldn’t be comparing them because they would be the same.

I think that’s what you’re missing and why you’re accusing people of arguing in bad faith.

You just don’t understand the point they’re making, but you think you do.

How can you organize voters with a district like the Texas 33rd?

I said “the internet”…

That was “my claim”.

That “the Internet” is how you would organize people in a sprawling district because that doesn’t rely on geography and in person meetings. It’s also just how you do shit now.

Then you asked me:

Let’s see evidence of “the internet” solving extreme gerrymandering

And acting that I claimed it could. When I never said that because I was answering a completely different question.

The only way that makes sense, is if you dont know what me or that other person was talking about.

The question was:

How can you organize voters with a district like the Texas 33rd?

I said “the internet”…

And now you’re demanding I prove checks notes something else no one else has been talking about?

Why?