Yes, that is what I was saying…

One can hope the surviving snw crew get their own ship and show after pike gets the chair. Last thing I want is for them to follow the 1701 for so long that they start refilming TOS

They did it again TOS purists

Maybe Pike keeps the ship’s environmental settings a little colder than the others, so nobody wants to free the knees

I dunno about nobody considering the recuring background andorians (give me slim blue men in skimpy minidresses you cowards!/s) clearly 23rd century fabric just breathes really well.

I’m in agreement that we can just have both, but I’m just thinking what’s the least confrontational way to get what I want. After all 3rd rule of acquisition “don’t pay more for an acquisition than you need to”.

Yes, I need more ENT! The era had a unique semi-grounded scifi quality to it. But make it an animation so I don’t have to hear folks repeat “no more prequels!” and “where’s legacy!?” Ad nausium.

I see what you’re talking about, and don’t want to see them play so fast and loose with the notion as to take old noteworthy’s and heroships out of mothballs, triple the volume and call it a “refit” for nostalgia bait. But Trek does offer an interesting notion here that we don’t really have in real life in that there are core valuable parts of a ship more important and possibly more enduring than its hull. We don’t take reactors out of old aircraft carriers and submarines and drop them in new ships as some sort of legacy so the idea that it could arguably be done in star trek is novel.

Obviously the Neo-Connie space frame is a new build due to its size but I don’t see how that stops them from reusing the warp core, warp coils, computer core, etc.

I don’t think that flies here. The Luna class and Neo-Connie have arguably similar internal volume so taking the bits out of a Luna could be enough to drive a Neo-Connie. Going from Intrepid sized to Sovereign sized though is a much bigger jump. Also I don’t see where you’re getting the word “refit” from in the first place? are you just assuming cause the ship is roughly intrepid shaped?

a refitted Intrepid-class and outfitted with technology Voyager gathered from her 7-year journey through the Delta Quadrant. It has 29 decks, 800+ crew and 2 schools, compared to Voyager’s 15 decks and 160 crew.

How do you fit 14 extra decks into a refit? with that many decks this ship would be the size of a sovereign class.

I quite like the show, but I find it jarring how the tone shifts so dramatically between episodes.

Welcome back to episodic story telling, you may not realize it but people leveled the same at TNG, VOY, and DS9, and when ENT tried to tighten things up with a more consistent tone people got bored and killed the franchise…

Maybe if the goofiness had been spread over 20+ episodes of a season, it wouldn’t have felt that way. But 3/10 (out of 9, so far, I’m still hoping I can watch the last episode) just seems too high a ratio.

We’re looking at 5 out of 20 with season 1 and 2 combined 25% goof seems to be well within tolerable parameters. Pluss if this has been a 20 episode season as in the old days then like in the old days only half of them would be memorable and all the goofs would naturally be catagorized as memorable.

Complaining about season length as if it suddenly makes memorable episodes bad its just senseless whingeing.

Again you’re moving the goalposts demanding greater and greater explicits not because you’d be convinced but because you’d expect the explicit doesn’t explicitly exists. This is a low stakes conversation about a fictional universe intuition reinforced by references is sufficient, and if in subsequent series writers forget these details or go another way well then that’s just how the cookie crumbles.

Though I don’t know why you don’t find this very intuitive the episode Regeneration featured borg drones from the events of First Contact, sure you may be entitled to your wishful thinking but to claim its never alluded to or incredibly hard to believe that first contact one of the more successful startrek films was an influence on enterprise is itself incredibly hard to believe.

As for Dauntless I’d say the screen canon speaks for itself why would I need characters to constantly break “show don’t tell” and hold my hand every step of the way?

That is a strawman argument, I didn’t claim this is a different timeline, in fact I claimed just the opposite. Altered is not the same as Alternate. Key events that are remembered and influential are still intact, while superficial details like whether NX-01 was named Dauntless or Enterprise deviate with little consequence.

I’d take up that wager they used the same actor for zefram cochrane to do the traditional new series handoff, they cast him as involved in the NX-01’s multi decade development program before he disappeared.

Except total unaltering is impossible you can put the big history book events back into place (ie zefram cochrane invented the human iteration of warp drive) but the butterflies are still set loose (ie zefram cochrane was told about the enterprise-E by time travelers and was shown it through a telescope in order to gain his trust and cooperation, a century later a hitherto unmentioned ship of the same name and rough silhouette would be launched supplanting Dauntless as the name associated with the NX-01 registry.) Our time travelers don’t notice the differences when they return home because they are so far removed from the altered events that the fog of history essentially covers things up.

You’re moving the goalposts asking for such explicits beyond what is reasonable. Why would they need to spell it out for you in an interview when they have the actors say “these events weren’t supposed to happen” repeatedly on screen? Are all viewers expected to familiarize themselves with every entertainment news article around and about a film or TV show in order to understand it? These things should be intuitive, and if what is intuitive isn’t the writer’s intent then that’s just a failure on the writer’s part.

This timeline is Altered not Alternate They did the same thing for First Contact, and ENT add just enough time travel to excuse not making the show into a history documentary yet none the less its considered part of the same story as everything that was made before but came later in the timeline.

ENT’s trip to 1944 between seasons 3 and 4. Or in other words what must be the writer’s “you made us make this temporal cold war cake and by koala we are gonna make you eat it” letter to the execs.

TNG had the strong implication that holodeck technology was pretty new, in the first season, at least at that level of sophistication.

It wouldn’t be the first time TNG-1 would be retconned by DS9/VOY/ENT/TNG-3+ though. While less extreme It was a bit like the early DIS/PIC of its day.

While I welcome the more flexible interpretation of TOS visuals to make a world that is more immersive and functional while still keeping the color, and perceived campiness, I’d draw a hard line against making a genuine “Re-TOS” as it were. The idea of overwriting, or demoting old performances strikes me as a path to perpetual reboots and origin story retellings like we see with comic book superhero’s, and seems a tad rude to trek’s own past and how it got here.

Its also pretty unnecessary, folks often talk about how they want to see the old stories updated for a modern audience, but its often the case that the same stories have been retold with different characters and places already throughout trek’s subsequent series, and as a result we are flush with ways to retell TOS’s hit scenarios without crossing that line. Naked Time(TOS) vs Naked Now(TNG) vs Singularity(ENT) would be a commonly cited example, and we even already saw SNW demonstrate one such way to go about this with “a quality of mercy” a time traveling what-if reimagining of “balance of terror” had pike been captain and not kirk.

I accept and expect paramount to still be making at least one show set in the 23rd century for as long as SNW and its successors do well, but these should be used to look forward and expand on the time period not backwards at where we’ve already gone before.