So this happened under Obama. People voted blue no matter who, gave Dems a super majority and they used it to pass a GOP-crafted bill that forced people to pay for useless private insurance.

Yes, Hillary and the DNC allowed Trump to win by ignoring their base and chasing imaginary “swing” voters. And now they’re doing it again.

People do understand that concept, but it’s literally what Democrats have been doing for the past 40 years and it has put us right here where we are right now. The “lesser of two evils” thing just has no propellant left, no one is buying that line anymore. Neoliberalism needs to go before Democrats can start winning again.

You need to understand that people have been saying “just put the neolibs in power again and we’ll work to improve things” every election cycle, and now we are closer to fascism than we’ve literally ever been. You at least understand why people see that strategy as a failure, right? Like, you understand why no one believes it anymore?

No ones moving goal posts. Give a ballpark of how many immigrants were involved in those 122 attacks.

You’re making the argument that brown immigrants are more dangerous than Europeans and you’re then trying to exclude all types of violent crime except that labeled terror attacks to obfuscate the reality that immigrants are statistically no more dangerous than Europeans themselves. It’s dishonest.

Even in terms of terrorism, the majority has historically been committed by domestic groups (ex. nationalists, political extremists, separatists etc.), not immigrants. Again, this is very similar to my own country where domestic terrorism is actually the greater threat than that from immigrants.

So, even if we assume those 122 attacks were committed by immigrants, how does that compare to violent crimes committed by Europeans themselves? 122 incidents over 9 years is remarkably low for a single demographic. How many bad actors is that per event? How many immigrants are there total and how many committed these crimes?

It’s racist fear mongering.

The rich making money off immigration isn’t an issue with the immigrants, it’s that we don’t force companies to pay all their workers the same wage, regardless of status. That’s a regulatory problem, not an immigration problem.

Because people that tell us low wages (not GDP increase but working class wages for locals), high house prices, and other things people mention like losing culture and crime increasing isn’t an issue. So what would it take for it to be an issue.

None of this is related to immigration. Immigrants aren’t raising housing prices. With crime you have to actually prove that that’s immigrants committing more crimes than Europeans and what kind of crime. They call brown immigrants criminals and rapists here too, and it’s simply not true, they commit crimes at the same rate as citizens.

You have to understand that this is a pattern we see over, and over throughout history; when fascists want to seize control they blame immigrants for all of socieyies woes. And they do so only with rhetoric or twisted facts, not the truth.

That’s not pudding on his fingers this time.

Well, yeah, obviously you have to purge the anti-revolutionaries. If someone doesn’t want to be under communism they have to be eliminated, naturally.

Yeah, I know all about that, they use the " brown immigrants are terrorists" in my country too in order to exploit people’s latent racism.

To have a point you’d have to compare those instances to violence by Europeans against eachother, by being selective you’re feeding a narrative that brown immigrants are more violent than Europeans. That’s already been demonstrated to be false. You’re being manipulated by fascists.

Whipping up fear about brown immigrants is what the right does when there is no wedge issue.

I like how the hero is not just a reluctant hero in that one but kind of a parasitic man-baby lol.

Ah, him murdering tons of people is ok because US Imperialism, I see now.

I’d rather they let the experts quickly determine how much lead is unsafe in drinking water than to have to constantly go to court to prove to a judge not just that lead is unsafe in drinking water, but to convince the judge that poisoning people is bad and should be stopped.

Honestly this kind of makes me think more seriously of finding a way to leave this country. The consequences of this shit can’t be overstated really. It effectively ends all regulatory bodies’ ability to regulate.

I feel like these tech bros are the same kind of dullards in highschool who would argue with the english teacher about how studying symbolism, metaphors and subtext etc. was a waste of time. They don’t view things like art or creative writing as products of actual labor because they’re not strictly technical endeavours, they don’t have the capacity to understand where that stuff comes from so they develop this world view where they see it as just something frivolous that creative people casually produce almost without effort or study.

The way these people’s brains work is, ironically, so shallow and literal.

Hey look, a brutal mass murderer.

I remember reading about how the extreme physical trauma of the holocaust had generational effects on even the grandchildren of survivors. What a depressing irony.

Completely inhuman.

And look at what? The genocide he’s funding? The illegal border policy he tried to pass that was identical to the one Trump tried to pass under his term? Or am I suppose to be looking at the past 40 years where neoliberals like Biden have failed to to confront the slow encroachment of fascism and instead chose to spend all their energy and resources undermining progressives in their own party? Or how voting the “lesser of two evils” for all that time has produced zero results?

You’re acting exasperated as if neoliberal democrats aren’t complicit in where we are right now. I think it’s you who needs to open your eyes and understand that neolibs aren’t helping or even buying us more time. The loss of our rights has continued full speed under the Biden admin, and he’s risking it all to satisfy his own ego and fanatical zionism.

No. Biden is responsible for his unelectability and when he refuses to step aside he will be responsible for his loss.

We’re all feeling unwell I think.

That’s the spirit.